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	<title>Comments on: Nullifying National Health Care in Kansas</title>
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		<title>By: Letter to Representative Zellers and Senator Limmer &#124; Zen and the Art of /.*/</title>
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		<dc:creator>Letter to Representative Zellers and Senator Limmer &#124; Zen and the Art of /.*/</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Nullifying National Health Care in Kansas http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/10/nullifying-national-health-care-in-kansas/ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Push Back Begins:Health Care Freedom in Virginia &#171; www.offmyfrontporch.com</title>
		<link>http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/10/nullifying-national-health-care-in-kansas/comment-page-1/#comment-2236</link>
		<dc:creator>The Push Back Begins:Health Care Freedom in Virginia &#171; www.offmyfrontporch.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Arizona Health Care Freedom Act , the Health Care Freedom for Alaska, as well as Kansas with their Kansas Health Care Freedom Amendment. The health care vote yesterday is far from the end of things – and  even when it passes the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Arizona Health Care Freedom Act , the Health Care Freedom for Alaska, as well as Kansas with their Kansas Health Care Freedom Amendment. The health care vote yesterday is far from the end of things – and  even when it passes the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Old Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cory,

States should be able to do exactly what you say but over time the Federal government has leveraged itself into state business in such a was as to make it impractical to do any thing but go along.  It is treated more like &quot;business&quot; among the states and not the rule of law.  The biggest problem, other than the 17th Amendment,  is that states, over time, have allowed the Federal government to collect tax money from their citizens with the expectation that that collected money will be returned and spent within their states.  A recipe for disaster because the Federal government can simply withhold or refuse payment to any state that does not go along with &quot;any&quot; deal they cook up.  Where in the Constitution does it say that the Federal government must return collected tax money to a state that balks?

Regaining state sovereignty is going to take a new or self reinvented breed of state legislatures willing to tackle direct Federal taxation of their people.  An easy case can be made today that Federal spending is irresponsible, unsustainable, and detrimental to state prosperity which therefore represents criminal misuse of the collective resources of the citizens of the various states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cory,</p>
<p>States should be able to do exactly what you say but over time the Federal government has leveraged itself into state business in such a was as to make it impractical to do any thing but go along.  It is treated more like &#8220;business&#8221; among the states and not the rule of law.  The biggest problem, other than the 17th Amendment,  is that states, over time, have allowed the Federal government to collect tax money from their citizens with the expectation that that collected money will be returned and spent within their states.  A recipe for disaster because the Federal government can simply withhold or refuse payment to any state that does not go along with &#8220;any&#8221; deal they cook up.  Where in the Constitution does it say that the Federal government must return collected tax money to a state that balks?</p>
<p>Regaining state sovereignty is going to take a new or self reinvented breed of state legislatures willing to tackle direct Federal taxation of their people.  An easy case can be made today that Federal spending is irresponsible, unsustainable, and detrimental to state prosperity which therefore represents criminal misuse of the collective resources of the citizens of the various states.</p>
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		<title>By: Cory Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cory Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>States have the right to ignore any law passed by the federal government that pertains to any &quot;right&quot; not specifically granted in the constitution. State governments are co-equal to the federal government. Only when a &quot;right&quot; granted to the federal government ( the post office for example ) in the constitution, does the federal government have &quot;supremacy&quot; otherwise the states and the people retain all other rights. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>States have the right to ignore any law passed by the federal government that pertains to any &quot;right&quot; not specifically granted in the constitution. State governments are co-equal to the federal government. Only when a &quot;right&quot; granted to the federal government ( the post office for example ) in the constitution, does the federal government have &quot;supremacy&quot; otherwise the states and the people retain all other rights.</p>
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		<title>By: State Sovereignty: Health Care Freedom Rally&#160;&#124;&#160;Tenth Amendment Center Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>State Sovereignty: Health Care Freedom Rally&#160;&#124;&#160;Tenth Amendment Center Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read more about Kansas Health Care Freedom here Mary Pilcher Cook is serving as State Senator for the 10th district in Kansas, and has served two terms as a State Representative. Mary never planned to run for office, but became concerned when she saw the direction government was taking our state and our country. Visit her website at http://www.PilcherCook.com  If you enjoyed this post: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Read more about Kansas Health Care Freedom here Mary Pilcher Cook is serving as State Senator for the 10th district in Kansas, and has served two terms as a State Representative. Mary never planned to run for office, but became concerned when she saw the direction government was taking our state and our country. Visit her website at <a href="http://www.PilcherCook.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.PilcherCook.com</a>  If you enjoyed this post: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DAVE</title>
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		<dc:creator>DAVE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>us thirteenth amendment (INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>us thirteenth amendment (INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE)</p>
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		<title>By: Multiple United States &#8211; Nullifying Government Attempt At Dictating Health Rationing Insurance &#171; Political Vel Craft</title>
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		<dc:creator>Multiple United States &#8211; Nullifying Government Attempt At Dictating Health Rationing Insurance &#171; Political Vel Craft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] TAC Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)House Resolution 615: Congressmen Who Insist On Government-Run Health Care &#8230;Obama Criminal Skills: Obama Health Ration – Next Phase ‘THE BAIT AND S&#8230;Obama &#8211; Pelosi Above The Law: Pelosi Needs To Be Prosecuted For Violating T&#8230;Universal health care in the United States is desperately needed by those w&#8230;  Tags: health rationing, kansas, nullifying, united states [...]</description>
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		<title>By: geekmom</title>
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		<dc:creator>geekmom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m in the wrong state. should have moved to texas or kansas i guess. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#039;m in the wrong state. should have moved to texas or kansas i guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Dead Cats: Hoffman Ahead, 10/28/09, #95: James Brody &#124; Dead Cat &#38; Clippings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dead Cats: Hoffman Ahead, 10/28/09, #95: James Brody &#124; Dead Cat &#38; Clippings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Monorprise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monorprise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We could do the Federal Tax escrow account thing(going to need to look into it eventually), and short of that the State could order its law enforcement officers to arrest any IRS agent that that tryst to arrest any state citizen for not paying the unconstitutional tax.    Just be sure they get tried in State not federal court clam the federal court being in-appropriate due to the matter of punitive taxes on healthcare not being under the Federal Constitution. 
 
When they act like &#8220;o of course it is cause we said it is, I&#8217;m a federal agent I can do what ever I want.&#8221; give em a weird look like you don&#8217;t know what their talking about or their nuts or something. 
 
Ultimately, the plain would be to challenge it in federal court on both jurisdiction and constitutional grounds making as big an issue of it as possible.  We want to paint them as what they are horrible usurpers of rights trying to grab unlimited power at the expense of the people and Constitutional law. 
 
When looking over nullification disputes it seems clear that the States only win when the public is generally on their side as sympathetic, so we need to win that battle above all.  
 Play the oppressed victim of an out of control crazy central government respecting no limits on their dictates. 
 
 
All that being said a State Constitutional Amendment will at the very least prevent the State government from trying to impose this abomination on us should the Feds hopefully fail.  So I regard this as it time well spent either way. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We could do the Federal Tax escrow account thing(going to need to look into it eventually), and short of that the State could order its law enforcement officers to arrest any IRS agent that that tryst to arrest any state citizen for not paying the unconstitutional tax.    Just be sure they get tried in State not federal court clam the federal court being in-appropriate due to the matter of punitive taxes on healthcare not being under the Federal Constitution. </p>
<p>When they act like &ldquo;o of course it is cause we said it is, I&rsquo;m a federal agent I can do what ever I want.&rdquo; give em a weird look like you don&rsquo;t know what their talking about or their nuts or something. </p>
<p>Ultimately, the plain would be to challenge it in federal court on both jurisdiction and constitutional grounds making as big an issue of it as possible.  We want to paint them as what they are horrible usurpers of rights trying to grab unlimited power at the expense of the people and Constitutional law. </p>
<p>When looking over nullification disputes it seems clear that the States only win when the public is generally on their side as sympathetic, so we need to win that battle above all.<br />
 Play the oppressed victim of an out of control crazy central government respecting no limits on their dictates. </p>
<p>All that being said a State Constitutional Amendment will at the very least prevent the State government from trying to impose this abomination on us should the Feds hopefully fail.  So I regard this as it time well spent either way.</p>
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