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	<title>Comments on: Sovereignty Resolutions: A Message to the UNITED STATES</title>
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		<title>By: Ellen</title>
		<link>http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/10/sovereignty-resolutions-a-message-to-the-united-states/#comment-622</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 19:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said, Michael. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Michael. </p>
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		<title>By: Ongeluk</title>
		<link>http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/10/sovereignty-resolutions-a-message-to-the-united-states/#comment-621</link>
		<dc:creator>Ongeluk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 04:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Would not delegates to a constitutional convention be selected by state legislatures (as should be the case for senators -- there&#039;s one that needs repealed #17)...

In any case, the language is as follows:

The Congress...on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which...shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress

Sounds as if although it takes 3/4 approval either way, 1) it&#039;s not clear who determines delegates to the convention -- historically the state legislatures determined -- and 2) congress seems to have the option of requiring either legislatures OR state conventions for ratification.

Has anyone done a detailed study on the mechanisms of a constitutional convention?

Personally, I see that as a last resort and actually quite dangerous -- as everything goes out the window, and you could end up with something completely different than our current constitution -- as misinterpreted as it is. Much better a combination of forcing a single amendment (or series of amendments) through the &#039;normal&#039; process -- and nullification by the several States.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would not delegates to a constitutional convention be selected by state legislatures (as should be the case for senators &#8212; there&#8217;s one that needs repealed #17)&#8230;</p>
<p>In any case, the language is as follows:</p>
<p>The Congress&#8230;on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which&#8230;shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress</p>
<p>Sounds as if although it takes 3/4 approval either way, 1) it&#8217;s not clear who determines delegates to the convention &#8212; historically the state legislatures determined &#8212; and 2) congress seems to have the option of requiring either legislatures OR state conventions for ratification.</p>
<p>Has anyone done a detailed study on the mechanisms of a constitutional convention?</p>
<p>Personally, I see that as a last resort and actually quite dangerous &#8212; as everything goes out the window, and you could end up with something completely different than our current constitution &#8212; as misinterpreted as it is. Much better a combination of forcing a single amendment (or series of amendments) through the &#8216;normal&#8217; process &#8212; and nullification by the several States.</p>
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		<title>By: 10th Amendment &#38; Power to the People! &#171; The Good American Post</title>
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		<dc:creator>10th Amendment &#38; Power to the People! &#171; The Good American Post</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 03:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brian McCandliss</title>
		<link>http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/10/sovereignty-resolutions-a-message-to-the-united-states/#comment-619</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian McCandliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m talking about the UNITED STATES of America, not quibbling over the parts vs. the whole.  
The ones who &quot;need wars&quot;, are the special interests who BENEFIT from it-- like the War of 1812, in which special interests in certain states, took advantage of their union with the other states, as their &quot;bodyguard&quot;  in order to protect them while they provoked Great Britain in their questionable business-dealings. Naturally this erupted in the war of 1812; and so the innocent states then protested via the Hartford Convention of 1814, in order to let the others know that the Union was NOT for the safety of provocateurs,  but for DEFENSE ONLY. 
Of course, Lincoln changed all that; and in 1813, Wilson thus felt safe in not only provoking the HELL out of Germany to benefit special interests, but in drafing Americans to FIGHT them, leading to global communism and depression--- and FDR followed suit with JAPAN as well;  and as thanks, the Soviets pointed 20 gigatons of NUKES at us, while humans were butchered by the tens of millions, leading to 9/11.   
Now we have a $12 trillion national debt too-- ready for sovereignty yet? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m talking about the UNITED STATES of America, not quibbling over the parts vs. the whole.<br />
The ones who &quot;need wars&quot;, are the special interests who BENEFIT from it&#8211; like the War of 1812, in which special interests in certain states, took advantage of their union with the other states, as their &quot;bodyguard&quot;  in order to protect them while they provoked Great Britain in their questionable business-dealings. Naturally this erupted in the war of 1812; and so the innocent states then protested via the Hartford Convention of 1814, in order to let the others know that the Union was NOT for the safety of provocateurs,  but for DEFENSE ONLY.<br />
Of course, Lincoln changed all that; and in 1813, Wilson thus felt safe in not only provoking the HELL out of Germany to benefit special interests, but in drafing Americans to FIGHT them, leading to global communism and depression&#8212; and FDR followed suit with JAPAN as well;  and as thanks, the Soviets pointed 20 gigatons of NUKES at us, while humans were butchered by the tens of millions, leading to 9/11.<br />
Now we have a $12 trillion national debt too&#8211; ready for sovereignty yet? </p>
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		<title>By: Brian McCandliss</title>
		<link>http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/10/sovereignty-resolutions-a-message-to-the-united-states/#comment-618</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian McCandliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amndment, shmemendment. You can&#039;t possibly get 3/4 of the states&#039; delegates to pass an amendment against certain types of federal laws, if you can&#039;t even get HALF of their FEDERAL delegates to resist or repeal them!
Think about it: a state&#039;s federal delegates are elected by the same voters as its STATE delegates-- and they vote based on the same policies 

Also, changing the Constitution is useless, if the federal government is ignoring the Constitution anyway!
What are you going to say: &quot;this time we REALLY MEAN IT!&quot;???
The ONLY way to accomplish anything, is for the people of ONE state to take back their rightful status as sovereign nations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amndment, shmemendment. You can&#8217;t possibly get 3/4 of the states&#8217; delegates to pass an amendment against certain types of federal laws, if you can&#8217;t even get HALF of their FEDERAL delegates to resist or repeal them!<br />
Think about it: a state&#8217;s federal delegates are elected by the same voters as its STATE delegates&#8211; and they vote based on the same policies </p>
<p>Also, changing the Constitution is useless, if the federal government is ignoring the Constitution anyway!<br />
What are you going to say: &#8220;this time we REALLY MEAN IT!&#8221;???<br />
The ONLY way to accomplish anything, is for the people of ONE state to take back their rightful status as sovereign nations.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Collins</title>
		<link>http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/10/sovereignty-resolutions-a-message-to-the-united-states/#comment-617</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The states can assert their control over the Feds in only one way short of rebellion. Article V of the Constitution gives the states, when 2/3 officially call for it, the right to demand a Constitutional Convention for the purpose of adopting amendments. Amendments adopted by the Convention if approved by 3/4 of the states then become the law of the land. Otherwise, the Feds alone write the laws and interpret the Constitutionality of the laws they write. If you really care about the 10th Amendment, you must favor a Constitutional Convention. One is needed now more than ever. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The states can assert their control over the Feds in only one way short of rebellion. Article V of the Constitution gives the states, when 2/3 officially call for it, the right to demand a Constitutional Convention for the purpose of adopting amendments. Amendments adopted by the Convention if approved by 3/4 of the states then become the law of the land. Otherwise, the Feds alone write the laws and interpret the Constitutionality of the laws they write. If you really care about the 10th Amendment, you must favor a Constitutional Convention. One is needed now more than ever. </p>
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		<title>By: Brian McCandliss</title>
		<link>http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/10/sovereignty-resolutions-a-message-to-the-united-states/#comment-616</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian McCandliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave, I didn&#039;t write &quot;republican,&quot; but  &quot;Republican.&quot; The first is an adjective, while the second is a nationalist political party-- to which the first applies in name only. There&#039;s nothing &quot;republican&quot; about the Republican party-- but rather Leviathan. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, I didn&#039;t write &quot;republican,&quot; but  &quot;Republican.&quot; The first is an adjective, while the second is a nationalist political party&#8211; to which the first applies in name only. There&#039;s nothing &quot;republican&quot; about the Republican party&#8211; but rather Leviathan. </p>
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		<title>By: Brian McCandliss</title>
		<link>http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/10/sovereignty-resolutions-a-message-to-the-united-states/#comment-614</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian McCandliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ 
So our Union has the same problems as the Soviet Union did-- and for the same reason, i.e. no minority can resist the central government. That&#039;s why the Constitution never established national authority in one government, but it remained dispersed in the PEOPLE-- not governments-- of each individual state. 
Then if there was a dispute over the meaning of the Constitution, each individual state had the final say over whether they would go along with it-- and the rest could either do without the law, or do without the state. 
Unfortunately, Lincoln and Co. ended that for over 140 years; and until we recover our state sovereignty, things can only get worse. ]]></description>
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So our Union has the same problems as the Soviet Union did&#8211; and for the same reason, i.e. no minority can resist the central government. That&#039;s why the Constitution never established national authority in one government, but it remained dispersed in the PEOPLE&#8211; not governments&#8211; of each individual state.<br />
Then if there was a dispute over the meaning of the Constitution, each individual state had the final say over whether they would go along with it&#8211; and the rest could either do without the law, or do without the state.<br />
Unfortunately, Lincoln and Co. ended that for over 140 years; and until we recover our state sovereignty, things can only get worse. </p>
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		<title>By: Brian McCandliss</title>
		<link>http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/10/sovereignty-resolutions-a-message-to-the-united-states/#comment-615</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian McCandliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I said THANKS to the Republican oligarchs-- i.e. Lincoln &amp; Co. 
 I never said it REMAINED wholly with them. 
 
 ALL national parties are equally bad, since they all maintain that the USA is a nation (which it isn&#039;t), and not a federal republic of sovereign nations (which it IS). 
 
It was this type of distortion which caused all the problems, since a national government doesn&#039;t have to obey the Constitution. Meanwhile, a federal government DOES have to obey the Constitution, since otherwise the minority states will resist by threatening to nullify and secede.  
Under our current regime, which claims a national government, the government can do whatever it wants-- and the rest of the states have to obey, or else our state of Georgia, will meet the same fate of SOVIET Georgia, i.e. tanks will roll down the streets. 
 ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said THANKS to the Republican oligarchs&#8211; i.e. Lincoln &amp; Co.<br />
 I never said it REMAINED wholly with them. </p>
<p> ALL national parties are equally bad, since they all maintain that the USA is a nation (which it isn&#039;t), and not a federal republic of sovereign nations (which it IS). </p>
<p>It was this type of distortion which caused all the problems, since a national government doesn&#039;t have to obey the Constitution. Meanwhile, a federal government DOES have to obey the Constitution, since otherwise the minority states will resist by threatening to nullify and secede.<br />
Under our current regime, which claims a national government, the government can do whatever it wants&#8211; and the rest of the states have to obey, or else our state of Georgia, will meet the same fate of SOVIET Georgia, i.e. tanks will roll down the streets. </p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;but thanks to the Republican oligarchs, now the Union is supposedly &quot;one nation&quot; in which the &quot;the People&quot; only get to vote for who&#039;s in Congress and White House, so they&#039;re not exactly the &quot;nation&#039;s owners&quot;asthey&#039;re told&quot;

I agree wholeheartedly, except it is not &quot;republican&quot; oligarchy. It is royal (globalist) oligarchy. Republicans slap you on the right side of your face and the democrats on your left side. We are double teamed. We need to back away from the political side show to recognize what is happening.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but thanks to the Republican oligarchs, now the Union is supposedly &#8220;one nation&#8221; in which the &#8220;the People&#8221; only get to vote for who&#8217;s in Congress and White House, so they&#8217;re not exactly the &#8220;nation&#8217;s owners&#8221;asthey&#8217;re told&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree wholeheartedly, except it is not &#8220;republican&#8221; oligarchy. It is royal (globalist) oligarchy. Republicans slap you on the right side of your face and the democrats on your left side. We are double teamed. We need to back away from the political side show to recognize what is happening.</p>
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