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		<title>By: Jeff Matthews</title>
		<link>http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2010/02/strategy-discussion/#comment-2265</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Josh, read Thomas Paine&#039;s, &quot;Common Sense,&quot; particularly the part at the end where he responds directly to the position of the Quakers.    You espouse the view of Paine.  Krey espouses the view of the Quakers.   This is a classic debate. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, read Thomas Paine&#039;s, &quot;Common Sense,&quot; particularly the part at the end where he responds directly to the position of the Quakers.    You espouse the view of Paine.  Krey espouses the view of the Quakers.   This is a classic debate. </p>
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		<title>By: JoshEboch</title>
		<link>http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2010/02/strategy-discussion/#comment-2264</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Allow me to modify my initial comments slightly. It is true that, in his excellent piece at TNR, Patrick correctly made the essential point that, before we can get back to constitutional basics, we must first win in the court of public opinion. He is probably even correct that states enforcing their own laws would be seen as &quot;aggressors&quot; by those unfamiliar with the issues at stake. 
 
However, if a state like New Hampshire were to pass a law such as the Firearms Freedom Act with no intention of enforcing it, or of defending NH citizens against illegal federal attempts to ignore the FFA, of what good is the measure? It quickly becomes, like current Supreme Court interpretation of the Tenth Amendment itself, simply a toothless &quot;truism&quot; that can be discarded at will by federal courts. 
 
To avoid simply being overruled or rendered moot by more tortured ignorance of the Supremacy Clause, the states must take some sort of a stand in defense of their sovereignty measures. Whether that involves police power or the power of the purse is up to them.  
 
In the long run, as Patrick also mentioned at TNR, effective enforcement could potentially be achieved through fiscal means such as the withholding of federal income taxes by the states subject to constitutional review of federal activities. But, as this is the age of entitlement, I am inclined to think that public opinion would judge more harshly a state that started out by denying the feds the money they need to write welfare checks than one that simply enforced its own laws using its rightful police powers. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allow me to modify my initial comments slightly. It is true that, in his excellent piece at TNR, Patrick correctly made the essential point that, before we can get back to constitutional basics, we must first win in the court of public opinion. He is probably even correct that states enforcing their own laws would be seen as &quot;aggressors&quot; by those unfamiliar with the issues at stake. </p>
<p>However, if a state like New Hampshire were to pass a law such as the Firearms Freedom Act with no intention of enforcing it, or of defending NH citizens against illegal federal attempts to ignore the FFA, of what good is the measure? It quickly becomes, like current Supreme Court interpretation of the Tenth Amendment itself, simply a toothless &quot;truism&quot; that can be discarded at will by federal courts. </p>
<p>To avoid simply being overruled or rendered moot by more tortured ignorance of the Supremacy Clause, the states must take some sort of a stand in defense of their sovereignty measures. Whether that involves police power or the power of the purse is up to them.  </p>
<p>In the long run, as Patrick also mentioned at TNR, effective enforcement could potentially be achieved through fiscal means such as the withholding of federal income taxes by the states subject to constitutional review of federal activities. But, as this is the age of entitlement, I am inclined to think that public opinion would judge more harshly a state that started out by denying the feds the money they need to write welfare checks than one that simply enforced its own laws using its rightful police powers. </p>
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		<title>By: DerekSheriff</title>
		<link>http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2010/02/strategy-discussion/#comment-2263</link>
		<dc:creator>DerekSheriff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 05:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a thought, but would it be better to to leave the feds wondering and not quite sure about  just what will happen if they cross the line? Remember, federal agents are human beings that want to get along with their neighbors, for their kids to have friends and want to go home at the end of the day and not have to spend an unknown amount of time in a jail cell. If we take a strong stand on principles, and leave it more of an open question about what we will actually do if they take extra-legal punitive measures, maybe it will make your average special agent or special agent in charge adopt more of a conciliatory tone? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a thought, but would it be better to to leave the feds wondering and not quite sure about  just what will happen if they cross the line? Remember, federal agents are human beings that want to get along with their neighbors, for their kids to have friends and want to go home at the end of the day and not have to spend an unknown amount of time in a jail cell. If we take a strong stand on principles, and leave it more of an open question about what we will actually do if they take extra-legal punitive measures, maybe it will make your average special agent or special agent in charge adopt more of a conciliatory tone? </p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Matthews</title>
		<link>http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2010/02/strategy-discussion/#comment-2262</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Somewhat condescending, but with a shade of truth:   &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqg3jrFnYDg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqg3jrFnYDg&lt;/a&gt; 
 ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somewhat condescending, but with a shade of truth:   <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqg3jrFnYDg" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqg3jrFnYDg</a> </p>
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