Oklahoma State Rep to File Bill to Nullify Individual Mandate

@Darjeelingzen http://t.co/utbvuTsP

@SteveTheRawMan Yes. Fugitive Slave laws was such example I believe.

@Darjeelingzen 10th Amendment rules

@EricDBarry @Darjeelingzen @joshuamiller79 :-)

@SteveTheRawMan @Darjeelingzen @joshuamiller79 Right there with y'all!

@Darjeelingzen I appreciate that.

@joshuamiller79 I want you to know, that I do recognize & appreciate that you want to affect positive change for liberty. :-)

@Darjeelingzen I think I do see where you're coming from. And I need a while to think more about these two tweets: http://t.co/KEo9p2IE

@joshuamiller79 That's not the kind of "power" I'm talking about; I'm talking about power of domination @stevetherawman

@Darjeelingzen Although some are corrupted, many can & do use power without being corrupted. Money, guns, cars, jobs, etc. @stevetherawman

@joshuamiller79 And the fear/obedience to the State, that can make good people kill each other is not a lot of power? http://t.co/YyMvsqqF

@joshuamiller79 Personally, I don't find consistent principles/ethics, "limiting" ... @stevetherawman

@Darjeelingzen I'm pretty sure that statement referred to the power of the one ring. That's A LOT of power. @stevetherawman

@joshuamiller79 That program assumes that the State has *some* authority, *some* legitimacy when it has none;assumes State as necessary evil

@joshuamiller79 But even if one adopts the program you suggest, they still do so w/o legitimate authority; they R a sham/imposter 4 liberty

@Darjeelingzen I do see where you're coming from. But, for better or worse, you are severely limited by your principles. @stevetherawman

@Darjeelingzen In theory a person could vote for bills that increase freedom, vote against all bills that decrease freedom. @stevetherawman

@joshuamiller79 Did you ever watch/read, Lord of the Rings; the man who seeks to use power for good is consumed by its evil @stevetherawman

@joshuamiller79 Because I'd be happy to burn that diabolical piece of paper I'd likely B expected 2 take an oath to defend. @stevetherawman

@joshuamiller79 Because I have no business/right to make laws for, or represent another person w/o explicit consent. @stevetherawman

@Darjeelingzen Won't happen all at once like that. What could happen is making other options easier & allowing competition. @stevetherawman

@Darjeelingzen At least people like Ron Paul (& myself if I try this at some point) can use it as a platform for education. @stevetherawman

@Darjeelingzen But communists, fascists, socialists, etc have no problem using the aforementioned "3rd" step I mentioned. @stevetherawman

@Darjeelingzen Instead of waiting till you are forced to defend yourself in court why not defend everybody as a legislator? @stevetherawman

@joshuamiller79 Just so long as we nullify the state, county and local authority over education too... @stevetherawman

@joshuamiller79 It doesn't take much preparation, to make a public-persecuter look inept in a courtroom... @stevetherawman

@Darjeelingzen #Nullify federal involvement in #education this is an area the free market can (soon) provide a #PublicGood! @stevetherawman

@joshuamiller79 With a little bit of legal study, you can get most traffic & tax cases thrown out too... @stevetherawman

@joshuamiller79 You'd be surprised what a little acreage put into a non-profit trust can do for your personal independence @stevetherawman

@Darjeelingzen I'm for being as independent of govt as possible, but legitimate or not, ignoring reality doesn't change it. @stevetherawman

@joshuamiller79 Yup. @SteveTheRawMan

@joshuamiller79 I like the first two strategies, not so hot on the third... @stevetherawman

@joshuamiller79 I don't condemn or blame you for wanting to try to make it fly... Buy as they say, "that dog don't hunt" @stevetherawman

@Darjeelingzen Major obstacle/problem when over 40% of U.S. homes receive some direct financial relief from the fed govt. @stevetherawman

@joshuamiller79 Or U can do your best 2 make those bastards irrelevant to YOUR life & not pretend like any of it is legit... @stevetherawman

@joshuamiller79 What keeps the State humming, is the propaganda and the educational system; w/o those it falls apart... @stevetherawman

@SteveTheRawMan This requires education, winning intellectual battles, & putting it to action within state governments. @darjeelingzen

@joshuamiller79 Without their constitutional-propaganda B-S they would be seen for the petty tyrants they are... @stevetherawman

@joshuamiller79 @darjeelingzen u can try!

@SteveTheRawMan You have to grasp federalism, & the idea of duel sovereignty. Can use #nullification to decentralize power. @darjeelingzen

@joshuamiller79 @Darjeelingzen Agreed there too, if it exists, might as well try to limit it

@Darjeelingzen That's fun to imagine but whether the constitution is legitimate or not they have & will use their monopoly. @stevetherawman

@Darjeelingzen @joshuamiller79 Agreed, let's nullify the legislature!

@joshuamiller79 Unless of course, the Constitution is of no legitimate authority, if the case then nullify EVERY LAW... :-) @stevetherawman

@joshuamiller79 True... Has it ever been done before?

@SteveTheRawMan The argument for Nullification depends heavily on being able to make the case that a specific law is unconstitutional.