James Madison: putting principle over pragmatism

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The campaign season is on!

That means over the next few weeks, candidates for federal office will spend millions of dollars trying to convince you that their particular slate of programs will “turn the country around.” They’ll propose job creation programs, health care programs and programs to help balding men grow hair.

And boy, will we argue. We’ll argue about the cost of the proposed programs. We’ll argue about the feasibility of the proposed programs. We’ll argue about the fairness of the proposed programs.

But seldom will you ever hear anybody stop and ask, “Hey, does the federal government actually have the constitutional authority to implement this?”

Believe it or not, that used to matter.

In fact, it used to stand as the most important question. Because no matter how good the idea is, and no matter how great the program might turn out to be, if the federal government lacks the power to implement it, it should never see the light of day.

In his last act as president, James Madison vetoed a bill that funded programs he favored. In fact, they were programs he lobbied for. The legislation was a public works bill that would have provided money for federal road and canal construction. Even though Madison believed strongly that the federal government should involve itself in improving the transportation system, he vetoed the bill, arguing that the people must first amend the Constitution to grant the federal government the power to implement such programs.

I am not unaware of the great importance of roads and canals and the improved navigation of water courses, and that a power in the National Legislature to provide for them might be exercised with signal advantage to the general prosperity. But seeing that such a power is not expressly given by the Constitution, and believing that it can not be deduced from any part of it without an inadmissible latitude of construction and reliance on insufficient precedents; believing also that the permanent success of the Constitution depends on a definite partition of powers between the General and the State Governments, and that no adequate landmarks would be left by the constructive extension of the powers of Congress as proposed in the bill, I have no option but to withhold my signature from it, and to cherishing the hope that its beneficial objects may be attained by a resort for the necessary powers to the same wisdom and virtue in the nation which established the Constitution in its actual form and providently marked out in the instrument itself a safe and practicable mode of improving it as experience might suggest.

How far we have fallen. Today we simply push forward with a program because we decide “that’s a good idea.” And when somebody actually stands up and challenges the constitutionality of an action, they get mocked by the likes of Nancy Pelosi.

““Are you serious? Are you serious?”

Yes, Nancy, I am.

We have allowed pragmatism overwhelm our most basic constitutional principles. We’ve traded America’s soul for a bunch of over-hyped, overpriced, feckless federal programs.

When we hear these politicians promising us the world, it’s time to start asking them the most important question: is your program constitutional?

If it’s not – reject it.

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Admiral America
Admiral America like.author.displayName 1 Like

I think the Founders made a big mistake even having a President.  Why should one guy have any power let alone power over an entire branch of government.  Same with the Supreme Court.  Why should nine people have power over one branch?  This is why I've always seen the checks, and balances of the branches as a joke.  Now all three act in unison.  Heck even having hundreds of people in Congress did nothing to stop tyranny.  Anyway the President should be nothing but a spokesperson, and Ambassador to the world on behalf of the USA.  The Founders just set the stage for a future King named Barry Obama.  Thanks morons!  We know you intentionally left the door open for tyranny because there's a lot more you could have did to lock out the corporatist tyrants!!!

MikeYoung
MikeYoung like.author.displayName 1 Like

Great point, the hardest part would be getting the Legislatures in the Federal Government to understand this, and stand by it. Very few (if any) of the legislatures either in the House, Senate, or the White House actually follow the Constitution any more, and why they are not kicked out of office by a Special Prosecutor every time they break their Oath to our Constitution is because the Prosecutors are Politicians themselves and are as Corrupt as the Government Officials they are paid to Prosecute and or investigate so they simply overlook the incidents or violations of our Constitution by the Politicians. 

gypsynovus
gypsynovus

Supreme court is a progressive/liberal funk for the moment, so without state leadership to stand ground on nullification it's going to get pretty rough.  Also, coming through this, people have got to learn to take responsibility for their vote.  We're up against a fierce progressive/liberal repatriation agenda that without people understanding this they are voting the Slick Willy ticket without realizing this is setting us up for disaster.  

findingthetruth
findingthetruth

novos  you say there are differences in you and Icke and attempt to point them out.   however, one could not tell the difference by reading what you write. An obcession with reptiles, with snakes, and evolution

threads through both yours and Icke's writings.  At least, to be clear, those you have posted on this board.  

gypsynovus
gypsynovus

Yeah well, to the progressive, a constitutionalist is obsessive.  To constitutionalists progressives are insane.

findingthetruth
findingthetruth

Novos  with this It is so what you said: They , meaning those ( formerly ) of the belief in evolution who have  "in Reality" come to see  the Truth as they learn of the evidence revealed by the DNA Matrix . It is NOT possible to "evolve.  Not because of the DNA matrix, but because as everyone seems to believe the big bang theory, then all started at the same "time" if this is so, where does "evolution: come into the picture?

(you probably think I am nuts.  I admit it.  I am)  What was brough out in Matrix served to confirm this. 

gypsynovus
gypsynovus

Try to write six sentences in your narratives, then break them up thus: 1 sentence, 3 sentences, 2 sentences.  Your writing will look like you are paragraphing, and you'll start to proof your work more naturally, because you can see what you are writing.  I was able to teach JHS children to write 10 page essays in 40 minutes.  This works.  Give it a try.  I'll coach you through it.   Nuts is a state of mind.  Writing will help you learn to focus.  Trust me on this, then I'll show you how to look for and respond to a thesis.

findingthetruth
findingthetruth

 @gypsynovus

here is a question, not a statement for you.   Why don't you get off the "evolution" David Icke reptilian junk and write something you really know something about?

Ergo, something first hand. I'll coach you through it.

gypsynovus
gypsynovus

It would have be more interesting to read something linking this article to your views on the implications for the 10th amendment.

TaskForce16
TaskForce16

 @ThePainefulTruth  @gypsynovus

 Ignore gypsy! His post exhibit the charactoristics of the "Rules for Radicals". Notice that he may identify many of the ills of the people of this country, yet he offers NO solutions, except to just surrender to our dismal fate, and let the Constitution dissolve into non-existance.

 

Surrender is NOT an option!

ThePainefulTruth
ThePainefulTruth

 @gypsynovus You're a "Constitutionalist" ? ! Really ? !  WOW !  If you ARE a "Constitutionalist"  then why is it you've suggested the wealthy be taxed 10% by way of government coercion / means ? !  If you ARE a "Constitutionalist" , how is it intelligenly confirmed that I ( WE ) are "progressives" when I am a "Constitutionalist" of a degree , I dare say , far above YOU ! If YOU are a "Constitutionalist" , then why is it YOU can't see the other "Constitutionalists" as represented by those you deride in wanton manner ? !  YOU fail to see the "Constitutionalist" arguements / reasonings given by others who have "proven" themselves to be of a greater "Constitutionalist" character / nature than YOU ! ?  A "Constitutionalist" doesn't spew invectives of a  non Constitutionally bearing perspective to make one's case / arguement , since he knows he can reason confidently on "Constitutional" matters with ease !  The whole tenor of your comments repeatedly suggest you  ARE NOT a "Constitutionalist" but a "hatemongering" militant skinhead filled with contempt for anyone who does not accept / recognize your interpretation / perspective of what is causing the demise of America ,  or your solutions to deal with the problem as YOU see it !  A "constitutionalist" explains the logical / provable reasonings for his position that his understanding is correct , You don't !  You continue to give comments that carry some fact / truth but then obvert  same by injecting misdirected and incorrect "so called' facts / suggestions that are incongruous with the other parts of your arguement !  It would be a strong indication by your continued means of address on the issues that you intend nothing more than ODIOUS commentary as a means of "getting off"' / gratifying yourself  because of all your self imposed "superiority" , ie. HUBRIS !   Stop fooling YOURSELF 'cuz  YOU certainly don't  fool us !     I know , I know , the "grammer' , the "grammer" !   Ohh , the "humanity of it all" !   The HORROR  !  What great HORROR !  You're NOT making sense , you need to take a break !  I can help you with improving you status as a "Constitutionalist" , if you really seek it !  YOU  MUST BE LIVING IN A NIGHTMARE !  Oh , right ! You're a SATANIST , aren't you ?  You started ALL this contemptuous, vile  commentary competition because YOU are the "provocateur"  even as you fraudulently claim "we" are !  It's as if you're hiding your  covert "progressive" agenda to disrupt rational and reasonable discourse by "Constitutionalist" , in this forum  .  YOU , a "Constitutionalist ! ?  PROVE IT !  'Cuz   I  , for one , firmly  DOUBT IT !  So PROVE IT !

gypsynovus
gypsynovus

The difference between David Icke and me is he believes in occult transfiguration.  I don't.  He's a master story teller, I'm not.  Icke's a progressive.  I'm a constitutionalist.  This bugger is a magician, me - an educator.  Icke's highly imaginative and salvaged a failed broadcasting career via the mystification culture.  He survives lying to people that don;t want to think for themselves, and he's medicated.  I'm not.

findingthetruth
findingthetruth

Novus.   the constitution will NEVER "work" unless people do the working.  More and more, states are recognizing people ARE LEAVING the state--just leaving---for places like New hampshire or Alabama who just banned Agenda 21 in that state. More and more people are leaving the country.    More and more people are asking "offcials"  if you swore to defend and uphold the constititution, why don't you do it?   Why don't you do what you said you would do?  Hillsdale College constitution 101 online course went from 15,000 to over 200,000 in the last  year..Many just don't know what the constitution says.

They were inundated.  Both candidates sound like the last ditch desperate cries to those on the Titanic.to stay seated!    Malingering cuts it for a while, yes.  But it just SEEMS to do so.  'Tis a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and of fury, signifying nothing." SP. People KNOW what to do for they are "constituted" of the constitution at their core.  All over the world this is so. We will innovate our way out of this. For myself I think there should be two things for government.  First, harm no man unless you just MUST harm --harm only yourself and after that do what you will. Anyway, my two pesos.   

findingthetruth
findingthetruth

Butterfiles?  The emphasis was clearly upon mosquitoes!  And yet, butterfiles fly over these states of cocoon earth bound unanwarenesses.  Might doesn't make right.   Right makes right.   IS  there any such thing really, as a "wrong" answer?  If it is wrong, it is not an answer, now it it?  and as for malingering, neither candidate has come clean on release of anything.  NEITHER!  They hang themselves, eventually, in tangled webs of deceit, while we watch---utterly amazed.  Why, there are just no words for such underhanded dealings.  And there seems no other lawful answer other than the 10th, nullification---rendering the passage of thousands of laws by the federal government irrelevant, useless.   

gypsynovus
gypsynovus

Yea, agree completely, but the idea we're working with here is the constitution isn't working.  Progressive atramental is more powerful, because people being snake-like at the core prefer to operate stealth and highly motivated by what they can eat and reproduce with rather then what build honor honor and character, hence debauchery pledged SSOs.

 

Try this out:

 

http://youtu.be/s9QA5B6U86s

ThePainefulTruth
ThePainefulTruth

 @gypsynovus  While I agree with your observations and awareness of the corruptions and corrupt influences in our society , I don't ascribe to your premise that it is based on the "Constitution"  not working .  It is an inanimate  Document , created to state the purpose of government , positions to carry out the purposes , powers granted for the intended purposes  , and therefore limitations of power ( because NOT granted ) of a  PUBLIC  system of "privilege"  (we refer to as government ) ; created to serve the Citizenry / SOVEREIGN INDIVIDUALS  in a "general" manner with a "general" nature ,  by the lawful acts "necessary and proper"  thereby  "securing and promoting" our  freedom , liberty , person , property ,  rights , happiness , ie. "sovereignty" !    This is an inerrant body of legislation  intended / designed for the politics of a "general"  nature ( application and responsibility )  to be employed by the "body politic" ;   to be "USED" , as an instrument / COMPACT  to control  the actions of the "Public Sector" ; and how it is applied to the "Public in general" !  Yet , it is ALL about  "WORKING  IT"  ,  instead of waiting for "it" to faithfully be "worked" for us , on our behalf !   So  stop gibbering and GET TO IT !    WORK IT , WITH EYES WIDE OPEN !  GET THAT "SNAKE BRAIN" AND THOSE "SNAKE EYES" ON DUTY ( I believe you are attempting  to do so , but can't seem to express anything without delving into the "snake" occults )  WITHOUT all the  statements of  "OCCULT"   because , right or wrong , you won't engender many to believe YOU are "credible" ,  or  to accept / understand the  ideas intended , as YOU "express" them .   Why don't you use better sense in defining / making  your arguements ? Please ?   PRETTY PLEASE ? Your biggest failing besides all your mislabellings and fantastical projectings is your hostility toward  and  inaccurracy in identifying those who are really on the same side as you .  So  WAKE UP  !   USE "THE FORCE" , LUKE .  COME OUT OF THE "DARK" SIDE , LUKE .   Can I get an Amen ! ! ?

TaskForce16
TaskForce16 like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @gypsynovus

 I think it pretty obvious that you are trying to discourage any attempt at saving the republic and bring back constitutional governence. If you want to throw in the towel, fine. But the rest of aren't willing to do that. Get OVER yourself!

gypsynovus
gypsynovus

Incorrect.  I think people are lazy, unwilling to study and rely on to much on a too diffuse state of mind to meet this crisis with any real effort. 

 

It's like what that that US photographer did when he got routed from taking pictures of the queen in 2010.  British security flagged him off, he saying something to the effect that this individual didn't know what he was dealing with, that he [the photographer] was protected by the constitution, to which security simply mollified him as he was ushered out of the area.  hahaha  It's like that. 

 

You folks are all about how these monsters are constantly in abeyance of the rule of law, but you are dealing with this like one reads a comic book.  You're technically proficient on the characters and their crimes, but your ability to do anything real about this is confined to your little message board club meetings where you discuss these issues like factoid monitors.

Factoid monitors... hahaha.  You have to admit, that's pretty damned funny, eh?  Alex Jones does the same thing.  He hypes up a largely transient audience that gets maybe a dozen responses claiming to be informing the world about the dangers of Globalism from the security of his little broadcasting compound in Austin.  You guy might make lots of money if you start selling gold, which by the way gets him regularly sued.

 

The founders were a diverse group, folks.  I'd go over this with you, but it'd take up this entire message board to discuss intelligently.  They didn't agree on much, either, but they got it together enough to formulate an enlightenment government which became our constitutional republic.

 

Oh wait a minute here.  I think I may have just educated you again.  Sorry, guys.  It's a habit I learned in college.

gypsynovus
gypsynovus

Progressive malingering:  http://youtu.be/s9QA5B6U86s

ThePainefulTruth
ThePainefulTruth

 I / WE appreciate your efforts to reveal hidden truth / facts ,  but NOT all the alluded to  interpreted / subjective commentary !  GET IT  ! , YET !  ...  Ohhhh crap , he STILL  doesn't  "get it" !  Here we go AGAIN ! !   LET 'ER RIP GOOFBALL !

gypsynovus
gypsynovus

We= the clique, which is progressivism.  Judging from your narrative, your mind jumps around a lot, which  is kinda revealing you as a... REPTILIAN!

 

OMG!

ThePainefulTruth
ThePainefulTruth

 @gypsynovus  OMG ! This clown thinks like a monkey , parrots ideas of others , projects /attributes  HIS characteristic confused incoherent state on those who inform him of HIS confused incoherent state ! OMG ! Then qualifies any group of like thinking persons as "progressive" . OMG !    OMG!  LIKE , LIKE  OMG !  ...  GO HOME , VALLEY GIRL ! !  

findingthetruth
findingthetruth like.author.displayName 1 Like

If, as you say, Constitutionalists are gullible, and they may well be----give me gullible.  Perhaps that is why I prefer butterflies to mosquitos!  There was once a group of mosquitos who presented a complaint to the court against the wind.  the judge declared, "well, we must hear both sides.  Summon the Wind!"

gypsynovus
gypsynovus

 @findingthetruth That's pretty good! The thing that makes progressives more powerful than constitutionalists is their myriad of SSOs and the debauchery pledge.  These individuals are ruled by the night and the lie, and they have no compunction sacrificing their own children to their need for immediate gratification.  It's a party culture, of which Nancy Pelosi (Little Bit) is a prime example.  Constitutionalists are honor bound, intrinsically motivated and believe the core of man's soul is good.  What the constitutionalist is missing here is that core is the limbic brain that is very much like the snake's and that what he is actually experiencing in this state of mind is an authentic spiritual link with the cosmos.  Constitutionalists are the Novus, but they are hard pressed for survival at this time, because they do not understand that to survive they need to fight back to preserve themselves from progressive determination to dismiss be free of accountability and boundaries.  the butterfly is an interesting symbol.  MK/Ultra, eh?  This too has it's limitations.  You know this.

gypsynovus
gypsynovus like.author.displayName 1 Like

Constitutionalists are concerned with the question: IS IT CONSTITUTIONAL?  Progressives are concerned with the question: DOES IT HAVE TO BE?  Idiots argue in the middle where rider legislation embedded in a Trojan Horse presents as an effigy to the status quo all the while progressive malingering has breeched a constitutional boundary.  Constitutionalists are gullible.  Progressives are predatory.  Isn't this Genesis? 

ThePainefulTruth
ThePainefulTruth

 @gypsynovus Agreed !  ... Please don't reply . please !  no more "snake" talk or invectives / derisions 'cuz your coming across "much better" without the shorthand labels for the "narcissistic" interlopers and "progressive" regressives !    Whoops !   A Ssssslip of the tongue , my bad .  Ssssssoo ssssssorry .  :-)  =-)  =-o  =-O  =-()   Oh  crap , nevermind !

gypsynovus
gypsynovus

 @ThePainefulTruth  Uh huh, and this has nothing to do with you having evolved a little brain mass in this exercise of ideas, eh? 

 

The fact remains the constitution is under siege from atramental, and Americans having become lazy and indolent on progressive malingering have lost the ability to either perceive this or do anything about it.  This is why the founders wrote the Bill of Rights, to prevent this from proliferating in the US; it's a way of life in the UK.

 

Romney's talking rewriting the 2nd amendment, and for what?  To disarm the US for his NSC promoters and increase his own wealth in the process.  Progressivism rewards the moment.  He gets to play humble Mormon dad in one of the grandest repatriation schemes ever conceived of, and no one will touch his children out of fear of the perp SSO that matrixes for Thomas Monson.  Got children?  Monson wants them!

 

Obama's flooded our economic infrastructure with a fiscal nightmare, which in this case fiat money increased the wealth of the elite all the while increasing debt for the subordinate classes.  For what?  People at the bottom are scrambling to survive while THESE monsters are picking off family for use in astrologically featured sacrifice rituals to seal their political agenda with their Lucifer... FOR M-O-N-E-Y and personal BDSM/pedophile entertainment.  Then there are the Obamaphone idiots, of which you are one.

 

The game isn't what you think it is.  All of this is shock and awe engineered to loft anti-terrorism legislation which sets a legal precedence for occult rendition, and this latter issue being largely ignored by ha ha ha-pee idiot Americans will be their fate in perpetuity.  Franklin's warning here. 

 

Then there are people like you.  You don't have a clue about reality and don't want it.  You're fix is an opinion that sounds like it was created on a meth high with little or no connection to the problem albeit you're imaginatively formulated stoic opinions are self comforting.  You don't study.  You don't think, but feel good about yourself, AND you have a vote!  Progressive.   

 

This is a 1000 year bid on humanity.  They are doing ritual human sacrifice.  They are in your face with this phenomenally sick and horrific practice.  Americans are too preoccupied with narcissistic self-interest to even begin to THINK about this let alone stage a confrontation with the entity responsible for this, and in YOUR case sitting in judgement of others in avoidance of educating yourself to this issue so you can have any meaningful impact on putting a stop to it.

 

PROGRESSIVE= palingenetic ultranationalism, the Nazism people are complaining about, yet they will line up at the polls and votes for Nazis!  They're friendly, boyish, disarming to a fault and lethally dangerous to the constitution.  The progressive agenda is is repatriation, and this simple concept is flying right overt the heads of 90% of Americans whose gaze is fixed on the picture of a bright and sunny day painted on the sole of a British boot that is coming down on the face of gullible constitutionalists, the latter believing they are going to successfully argue constitutionally featured  atramental treason against an army of Quislings who have brought them to this future for a price, for status, and for unchecked access to money drugs and sex.

 

Ted Kennedy was one of the most prolific pedophiles in congress, and yet people flocked to him, because he was good at hiding it.  His colleagues in the Iron triangle are thus inspired, but because this information isn't served to you personally it's all a fantasy, which is narcissism. 

 

You're a progressive.  You can't help it, because you can't get your mind under control.  Progressives promote a progressive agenda because it frees them from the constraint of boundaries.  Liberty and freedom present in a coercive utopia, which means these are constrained by boundaries which preserve them, HERE, in the US, but these have also been hijacked by progressive con having created the delusional state of mind that humanitarianism and democratic process somehow preserve the former, which they do not. 

 

OMG!

 

 

gypsynovus
gypsynovus

Let's her your version of the application of the 10th to James Madison: putting principle over pragmatism, genius.

ThePainefulTruth
ThePainefulTruth

 @gypsynovus  What ? You don't see how many "holes" there are in the narrative ?  Hell , he even ADMITS them as he continues on with "suggestive" narrative as if he just want to get his story in !   The site even declares it so and has links to other commentary explaining it . You subconciously infer accountability of logical progression in the narrative due to your willingness to accept , NOT due to a reasoning critically analytical minded approach . I also can refer YOU to any number of links to support my position but I think it is obvious we have reached a point of diminished returns and acceptance of the issue .

ThePainefulTruth
ThePainefulTruth like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @gypsynovus  While I do appreciate the civil tone expressed in this reply I do take issue with the "hypocritical" nature of your arguement style .  As many times as you have taken exception  with others ( myself included ) on matters of grammer  , tenor of one's reply ,  application of claims, misconstruction of reasoning , etc. you've clearly demonstrated a propensity to do the same as that which you call out on others . You continue to deflect , spew nasty invectives , misidentify one's political nature / character , mis-state the positions of  others to give credibility / justification for your position / claims etc. while being unreasonable with others in regard to the fact that they don't  employ proper grammer !  Yet if they call you out on issues you say they are off track, having a hard time with a conversation , need to create ready proof etc. , while you do the same !    This  arguement style tendency is rather juvenile /disruptive of the general tenor of a forum such as this . Your continued replies regarding grammer are indicative of your need to escape to a place where you feel safe in your thinking / authority.The tone of your comments reveals your hubris . The reason for the condensed grammer style is do to space limitations and unfamiliarity / malfunction of keyboard keys as many here are not proficient in typing skills or writing skills so don't let that "blind" you on the tenor of the comments .  Fair enough ?  P.S.  As far as this debate on evolution / creation I believe it is reasonable to settle on the idea of respectfully agreeing to diagree and leave it to the theorists / researches to ultimately prove / convince the world of the truth of it all !  It's not my cup o' tea ultimately .  I know when to leave it as unsettled due to my acceptance of what it means to really "know" something versus trying to be overwhelmingly convincing with vague notions of credibility by association with others .

gypsynovus
gypsynovus

Some people believe the penis is a manifestation of limbic evolution, the snake somewhat preserved in it's physical from in both the brain and the genitalia.  Another such phenomenon, the orgy, can be likened to the snake ball, and BDSM a way to heighten arousal and discipline auto-arousal.  Also, snakes have spurs, which if you've ever been with a woman who is enjoying intercourse she will attempt to dig her heels into your thigh and buttock during an orgasm in the same way snakes spur one another during THEIR mating activities.  I'd say there's a snake in there somewhere.  As for my parents sex life, I never thought about it, and if I did I would never talk about it.  You're having a hard time with this conversation, so why don't you take a break? 

ThePainefulTruth
ThePainefulTruth

 @gypsynovus So , did your mommy get fucked by a snake thus creating the result of having you with your "limbic brain" ?   Or is your mommy a snake who fucked something to  "get "  ...  YOU ? !  FIX YOUR STUPIDITY !    EVOLVE !   JUMP BACK INTO THE SLIME POOL TO START OVER 'CUZ IT SURE COULDN'T GET ANY WORSE FOR YOU !  Remember the caveats about fools ?   They apply to You  ,  in every way !

ThePainefulTruth
ThePainefulTruth

 @gypsynovus   They , meaning those ( formerly ) of the belief in evolution who have  "in Reality" come to see  the Truth as they learn of the evidence revealed by the  DNA Matrix . It is NOT possible to "evolve"  since the  DNA  Matrix can ONLY reduce ( it loses part of it's Matrix to be displaced by other DNA Matrix )  , upon combining  X with Y chromosomes  ( but still limited to X and Y chromosomes ! ) ,  or degenerate !   As far as others lifeforms that might have a clue inherently ,  maybe  monkeys too , but certainly not  YOU !    You've got "answers" , 'cuz your comic books told you so !    You've got "cool labels" but NO sense how to discern them , or the discretion  how or to whom to apply them !  Stating ideas with wisdom is what you lack .  Not  knowlege .  Figure it out !

gypsynovus
gypsynovus

Okay, the way I am reading this is those pet monkeys you talked to talked back to you, correct?

ThePainefulTruth
ThePainefulTruth

 @gypsynovus  GOOD GRIEF !  I 've come across pet monkeys that are smarter than YOU !  Even they , have come to realize that the "theory" of evolution has been PROVEN "WRONG" !  It has been proven  over and over in sooo many ways it's ridiculous for anyone ( NOT a "Blathering" FOOL )  to contemplate  as legitimate !   Do YOU know what Darwin's last words were ?  He said , " I was wrong , throw away my book ! " .  Virtually every Great mind  believes in a Creator or has  come to the conclusion that "Evolution" as a theory is based on fallacious ( fill in the hole 'cuz we don't have a legitimate answer )  reasoning  , and "self - serving " allegience  to the longstanding ignorance of the FACTS !   This position is much like the FLAT EARTH  believers  .  Which side of "Truth"  do YOU stand for , ohhhh right , the SMALL minded side !  This foolishness of Yours  PROVES  ( by YOUR very belief in the  "theory" of evolution , as the "standard bearer" of correctness )  that your "evolution" connected concept of  "snake brains" etc.  IS  WRONG  . This is by the very fact that  YOU ,  CAN'T  "EVOLVE" !    Your "snake" brain cannot recognize "FACTS / TRUTH"  even when "it" sits on your face and wiggles !  Now , go swallow an egg ,  and  CHOKE ON IT  , SNAKE ! !

gypsynovus
gypsynovus

Ah, I see what you are having a problem with.  It's kind of a frightening thought, but in reality the human brain evolved from the snake. 

 

Some believe that although the tap root of life is something akin to the mushroom, humans are developmentally a bloodline traceable to the reptiles.  In a nutshell, according to this theory, life originated in the ocean spawning from terrestrial mitochondria bumped from Mars to earth by several epochs of meteor collisions. 

 

Mars set up the foundation for this process having already undergone the zone of life, and leaping from there to here gave this process a huge head start on earth which made it possible for life to evolve in complexity which ultimately produced mankind. 

 

Getting to here from there, we evolved in the ocean which produced an atmosphere enabling life to migrate from the water to land, first inspired by plant life.  Animal life followed.  Fish evolved to reptiles, both slithering and walking, and man from the lesser of these through the apes on a time line loosely Lucy, Australopithecus, Neanderthal,  Cro-Magnon and modern man, with lots of variation between. 

 

Quoting an on-line source, "The [human] brain stem is the oldest and smallest region in the evolving brain. It evolved hundreds of millions of years ago and is more like the entire brain of present-day reptiles."  Here's a link to the image:

 

http://www.crystalinks.com/reptilianbrain.html       

 

In the human brain, this area is largely mitigated by the limbic system, hence the term I like to use to describe it, Limbic Brain.  It has a huge influence on appetite, sex and reproduction and such, which people cue to these in debauchery.  When I say progressives are snake brained, what I mean is they function primarily from this area of the brain, which is primitive and self serving, although they possess an outward appearance of being good people long as you do not perceive their treachery. 

 

In reality, the cult of Satan, the entity that makes his appearance in Genesis, is occult what practices teach and manifest sociopathy via activities that are designed to disconnect the higher mind and reason, hence the SSO debauchery pledge which involves abduction, rape, torture and sacrifice of children. 

 

This is the negative core of the Mormon church, which rushing forward to the present is palingenetic ultranationalism AKA Nazism cum Nationalist Socialist Corporatism.  The Vatican is the Feudal economic model for the latter, and DC was bought on this in 1877, I think.  People argue that the founders had something to do with this.  Madison certainly did, but  most others did not and warned about the Vatican, which is why they prohibited this immense SSO from establishing itself in the US. 

 

The Vatican is the mother of the reptilian-esqe practice of necromancy and the Black Mass, hence lizard brained progressives and  their affinity for debauchery and tenacity for removing checks on their behavior, which makes them naturally competitive with the constitution.  BDSM and pedophilia, limbic motivated behavior, institutionalized via SSO proliferation, so if given the choice, most people do in fact choose debauchery over character and honor, which is how the masses are so easily manipulated by a few elite.

 

This is not to create hate or promote violence.  SSOs are notorious for enough of this already, but for them to function you have to feed them lots of money.  Every dollar you spend which promotes the international corporation puts them in a position to control you. America is notoriously a debt society, which means they own you via your credit card, and they are getting ready to take your property as well, all against the constitution and in circumvention of the bill of rights. 

 

Like snakes.

ThePainefulTruth
ThePainefulTruth

 @gypsynovus Absolutely NONE !  It's just that YOU think YOUR ideas / concerns are unique or originated from YOU !  It isn't new , and doesn't originate from YOU !   I ' ve already known of the situation ( for decades now ) and have been stating my piece since then , have you ? The ONLY thing I disagree with YOU about is the whole of the "snake brain" explanation .  Except for that , I ALREADY KNOW OF EVERYTHING ELSE YOU PROJECT , AS ORIGINATED FROM YOU, IN THIS FORUM !  I just don't over-reach on the subject matter  , and over-state my reasons why "others" don't see what I see  , or that they don't know of it !  I don't run of at the mouth with a bunch of gibberish and convoluted garbage as YOU DO .  DO YOU REALLY THINK YOU ARE THAT "SPECIAL" , GET BACK , FOOL !       I declared our demise as soon as I heard G W Bush declare war on Iraq after 9-11 (  the "last straw" placed on the camel's back )  , because we were already on the brink of collapse due to all the other conditions / corruptions  oppressing us , from the beginning  , and I 've KNOWN of the WHOLE "PROGRESSIVE" PLAN BEING SET UP from the beginning of this modern era and even earlier ( by extension from Ben Franklin's warning upon leaving the Philadelphia convention and / or Biblical example ) . I GET IT !  I just don't choose to infect my message with a bunch of WILD EYED ZOMBIE "SNAKE BRAINED" "SNAKE BALLS" "SNAKE ANYTHING" FOOL FODDER AS YOU DO !   GET IT !  YOUR NOT CHANGING ANYTHING BY THE INCLUSION OF YOUR "SNAKE ANYTHING" FANTASY WORLD CRAP !  GET IT !  NOW ?  SO SHUT YOUR "YAP" ( PIEHOLE , FOR THE IGNORANT ) ABOUT YOUR IDIOT "SNAKE" WORLD IDEAS .  I'm just "sick and tired" of hearing from IDIOTS  and their fantasy world ideas !  Your message suggests killing the enemy , as You see it . Well , get started Tough guy !  I have a pretty good Idea of its necessity , yet I keep tyring to persuade more people to see the same , for "unity" sake !  Otherwise , You're just a lone gunman . Your message will gain MUCH MORE TRACTION without all the garbage , GET IT !  , YET ? , NOW , STOP PRETENDING YOUR THE ONE WITH THE IDEAS ON THIS FORUM , YOUR NOT ! !

TaskForce16
TaskForce16

The monicker I use on this forum is taken from Naval History during WWII. Task Force 16 was a US Navy taskforce built around the USS Enterprise (CV-6) that included it's excort of Destroyers (DD & DE) and a couple of cruisers (CE). TF-16 was returning to Oahu, from a shuttle mission to Wake Island and was approx. 200 miles West of Pearl Harbor when it was attacked on Dec. 7, 1942 by the Combined Fleet (6 carriers) of the Japanese Navy.

 

I've used the TaskForce16 nick in several forums, in honor of the tanacity of CV-6 and it's courageous crews during it's operations in the War. The USS Enterprise became the highest decorated war ship of the US Navy, with 20 Battle Stars (out of a possible 24), a Presidential Citation, and a Unit Citation, for it's invovlement with the "Doolittle Raids". PLus, it is the only war ship outside the Bristish Royal Navy to be bestowed with that navies highest honor, The Admiralties Penant, which it recieved after the war while docked in Southhampton, England, as it was operating as part of Operation Magic Carpet (bringing our troops home). www.cv6.org

 

I have absolutely no idea what gypsy is ranting about. He's definitely an agent provocateur, for the anti-constitutionalist communist.

 

gypsynovus
gypsynovus

 @TaskForce16 Oh, you're all about honor, but you shoot your mouth off like a progressive.  Let's see if I can figure out how this is supposed to work.

 

You frame bridge your identity to some noble historical event setting yourself up as a victim thus recruiting any idiot that can't see past the propaganda to your provocateur core.  You might get sympathy, but I'm not feeling it.  That's predator playing victim, which is your training, and it's kinda twisted.

 

That's neo theatre, you bugger. 

findingthetruth
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PatrickHenry, I agree.  in some cases, Silence is Golden, Speach is Silver---subject to tarnish--- and must be rebuffed from time to time. 

Patrick Henry
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 @findingthetruth Yes, but there is one caveat, and that is this. Never argue with a fool,  people might not be able to tell the difference.

gypsynovus
gypsynovus

 @Patrick Henry  @findingthetruth Hey, only two points on the Devil's Triangle today?  ThePainfulTruth must felling left out!  Exercise in futility, eh?

ThePainefulTruth
ThePainefulTruth

 @gypsynovus  @TaskForce16  @Patrick Henry  Well , uh , in that case I'd like to make a song request for my feast of debauchery ; how about "Hotel California" by the Eagles ?  Hmm , Yeh  that ought to be just right for a "feast on the beast" occassion  !   P.S.  I still don't see You make a stand / difference !  The militias are a great tool  to be applied , so get your butt into one , of the correct constitutional understanding of it's purpose  , subject  matter orientation and objectives .... Ohhh , crap , there will be more than one person ; so they must form a clique and be "progressives" !   Damn !  Oh well , now what ? !    Stop wasting our time and energy  with all your self-glorifying claims of greater insight / wisdom !     Learn some Tact ... for ALL our sake !   Prove you have enough wisdom to enlighten , persuade , and engender co - operation for sake of unity in response to this threat / "beast" !   I  wonder if you can make the connection to the "real" threat and therefore figure out the "real" answers based on the clues given in this reply . 

gypsynovus
gypsynovus

 @TaskForce16  @ThePainefulTruth  @Patrick Henry  TaskForce16, OCCULT party of three, your table is waiting.  This room over here, gentlemen.  Padded walls, regular medication and nurse Ratchet will be conducting your encounter group therapy sessions.

 

The constitution isn't working except if people will fall back on the pre reconstruction Bill of Rights which is more comprehensible.  They have attempted to circumvent this so you would not be empowered to do this. 

 

Atramental has already proven the constitution is meaningless against the SSO debauchery pledge.  It takes men of courage and honor to sustain it, which in today's culture this has been lost to unchecked access to drugs, money and sex.

 

You can describe constitutional infractions all day and night, but it will get you nowhere.  Wait until the UN declares the Bill of Rights a terrorist manifesto and starts confiscating guns.  You will still be here talking this over like a bunch of old fools.

 

I checked out a militia, but this organization too was marketing and fund raising doing nothing to stand in for the Bill of Rights but training instead to help out law enforcement.  Why's that? No intrinsic desire to protect and uphold the constitution or the Bill of Rights.

 

It's over.  Enjoy their fucking wicker Man parties and necromancy rituals.  There will be many.

TaskForce16
TaskForce16

 @ThePainefulTruth  @Patrick Henry

 I don't believe Henry has anything to apologize about either. And I also agree that the Fed government has no powers delegated to it to be messing in matters of religion or religious doctrine. Maybe, not even the States, since "This Constitution and the Laws of the United States WHICH SHALL BE IN PURSUENCE THEREOF;.....shall be the supreme Law of the Land;" It appears to me, that religion, or lack thereof, SHOULD be practiced as a personal matter, with no mandate of imposing such doctrines on others.

 

The 1st Amendment states: "Congress shall make no law in regards to establishment of religion, nor prohibit the free exercise thereof:" That pretty much sounds to me like a mandated "HANDS OFF" to Congress, which is suppose to be the sole "law making" apparatus of government, according to the Constitution. This "separation" thing has been mis-construed. What the 1st  amendment really implies, IMHO, is a "separation of POWERS between State and church." This put an end to partnerships between the leaders of the Church and State, which had existed throughout much of human history, up until the US Constitution was ratified.

gypsynovus
gypsynovus

Wake up call: progressivism IS Genesis.  OMG.  You people are parroting constitution and don't know this?  The progressive movement is the Satanic backdrop of our government F-O-R-M-E-R-L-Y principled on the constitution and bill of rights.  Constitutionalist are featured as Adam and Eve: gullible, naive, believe in a prescriptive God that was created to control them as slaves.  The Council of Nicaea AKA Vatican wrote your bible for you the same way the church of England co authored the book of Mormon.  It's a hoax.  The LDS is a Christian, Islam, Druid hybrid.  THIS IS ABOUT REPATRIATION.  D' oh.  We're already there.  Where's your militia?  None.  Political outrage and confrontation with Washington?  None, but you've got rick Perry annexing Texas for the UN.  You're stupid.  Don't talk to me.

ThePainefulTruth
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 @Patrick Henry Apologize ?  For what ?  You've given the concept the proper perspective  . They are totally different topic domains ( private sector vs. public sector ) . Quite frankly I believe God  is REALLY PISSED / INSULTED that "man" would even presume , to Do that which  is God's domain  to do !   We all must STOP foisting our will / interpretation on others since we wouldn't like it if they did the same to us !  Ahhh ! The "golden rule" applied , what a sweet savour it is !  Inspirational persuasion is vastly different than coercion !  Any  more than that is God's providence to deal with . After all , it's God's clay to start with ! 

Patrick Henry
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 @ThePainefulTruth Well, I hate to say this and I'll  probably catch some flack for it. But, that's why I don't inject religion into my politics. My faith is something that's very personal to me and I just don't bring it up in political discussions. I think this somehow carried over from the Constitutional purism or bust article. Where a few other posters were giving biblical reasons for not allowing gay marriage. I think that's where this all started at and has spilled over here somewhat.

 

I successfully made the argument that the feds have no authority under the Constitution to regulate marriage. Does that mean that I'm all for gay marriage. No, I don't agree with it, but the feds have no say so in  the matter and shouldn't have a say in it. As abhorrent as I think abortion is, look what happens when the feds get involved with it, Roe v Wade. Do I want men with good morals, ethics and principles  representing me as my legislators? Of course I do, but I don't want him or her legislating morality on the rest of us.

 

That's not his/her job, the job or the proper role of government should be to first and foremost secure my liberty and private property rights. Without those, the rest is meaningless IMHO."You are not to inquire how your trade may be increased, nor how you are to become a great and powerful people, but how your liberties can be secured; for liberty ought to be the direct end of your Government." Patrick Henry- June 4, 1788

 

I'm out guys, going on vacation today, I'll catch up when I get back!

gypsynovus
gypsynovus

 @TPT  I had a hard time reading that.  Could you go over this one more time, please?  Also, is "yap" colloquial or a foreign language?  If the former, are you black?  If the latter, Asian?

ThePainefulTruth
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 @gypsynovus  @Patrick Henry  @findingthetruth There 's another caveat for for foolhardy blatherskite turds like gyppednovice  who clearly didn't show up when the brains were passed out  , thus got  his dumbass gypped out of any intelligence / wisdom , and ended up this hopeless novice loser we hear from incessantly and without a clue about what he is talking about or what he thinks he knows ( ! )  , that says this , ...   it is better to NOT say "anything" and be "thought" a fool   than to speak / talk / comment , and remove ALL doubt !  This fool has NO clue what a "constitutionalist" is , or who IS one , yet claims to be one even as he suggests by his "snake brain" dumbass  recommendation that ALL wealthy "persons" ( corp. or not ) be charged a 10% tax , by way of the government !  What a meathead !  He has  said that "progressives" can't stand limitations  while accusing us of being "progressives",  even as we argue FOR  the LIMITATIONS on government , AND the Citizen ( regarding their socialistic  wants , lack of willingness to make the sacrifices necessary , and inability to recognized their entrapped status / condition ) !  Clearly he's on meds and has lost them , or is an irrational / illogical JOKE ( definitely slow ,  confused , maybe a little retarded even ,... poor turd )  I ' mmm ba aack !    Damn !  Every time I think I gotten  away form the stupidity of this turd ... He pulls me back in !  He says we are "provacateures" yet HE ,  won't shut his YAP !  He continues to inject his scatterbrained "snake brained" invectives without discretion OR discernment ! Unbelievable !   Okay , Numbnuts , spew back more of you incoherent stupidity and invectives , YOU "SNAKE BRAINED" FOOL !  I'mmm ba aack !  Oh , did I say that already ?  Yes . Okay ,..  movin ' on !

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