Wyoming to Preserve the Second Amendment?

 @OdellHarwell  @Robert kepka  @FredMarsico Yes, the Battle of Athens is a good reminder to us all, how we can fight and succeed in preserving the liberty our founders fought and died to give us.

Please see:

http://fixamerica-fredmars.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-meaning-of-liberty.html

 @Robert kepka  @FredMarsico   Google "The Battle of Athens, Tennesee."  See how other Americans battled the corrupt establishment.

 @OdellHarwell There are 160 member nations. Some like Russia and China have huge military with plenty of armor. North Korea has a huge army Do you really think these nations would defer sending troops and equipment to the UN? And where would we without our military get armor? During the Battle of the Bulge WWII our regiment had a 10 mile sector to defend. We had no armor our heaviest weapons were bazookas and 50 caliber machine guns. Our orders were to hold out as long as we could. Had the Germans decided  to concentrate on our sector we would have been no match for tanks a 88 canon.I am not saying we may not come to conflict but if we do we had better quietly get the head of the snake first

The UN doesn't have a standing army.  The UN can only send troops who are voluntarily assigned to the UN by the member nations.  Member nations who are Muslim, or other America-hating third world countries will agree to send their troops under the UN flag. The other sensible nations want nothing to do with armed Americans. That's OK too, we'll fight all they send, and eliminate them.

 @FredMarsico Quite right about UN troops there is also an agreement with Canada signed by Obama early in his first term to bring Canadian troops into the U.S. in case of an uprising or natural disaster. I am not sure if this was part of the the North American Union Bush signed with Mexico and Canada Also Fema has been supplying Armored vehicles to local police departments. put all this together and it should show you the need for the Military and their armor. We can not fight armor with rifles

 @Robert kepka  @FredMarsico Hence militia.

 @Robert kepka We don't "need" the military but we do need parity of arms. There are many veterans and current military that will keep their oaths and not obey unconstitutional orders to fire upon US citizens.

The problem lies in the fact that most of our military are fighting for resources for the corporations that are backed by the State Department and CIA and the troops that will be on the ground here in the US will be UN troops who will have no problem killing us.

 @FredMarsico I understand what you are saying. The people do need to be armed. But to be successful the people would need the military. And this could happen only if there was a revolt in the military. Many Upper level officers are NWO members. These traitors would have to lose command. It would be impossible to fight armored vehicles with rifles.I  had hoped some yonger person would have the courage and ability to organize a third political party based on constitutional conservatism. If there ever was atime in our4 history it would be now.. Strict vetting would preserve the integrity of such a party and would desimate tyhe other two political parties, Outside of armed conflict this would be the only way to have a government of statesmen.

 @Robert kepka  @Patrick Henry  @Jdangiel The city state is a 3000 year old Globalist scheme in the making.  It is the Cult of Castores.

  @Patrick Henry  @Jdangiel Obliterate Tyranny, when you say the Federal government is at war with the States you have it right. But this has been going on for many years while we slept. The un constitutional duplicating state agencies and then holding back the money to operate those  state agencies unless conforming to the Fed demands has been the leading factor in states losing their sovereignty. Removing these agencies from the Fed or paying the tax money first to the state treasury , having the treasury keep the money needed to operate that agency in the state and sending a small portion to the fed to operate their agency This would take the power away from the Fed. But at any rate accomplishing anything will be very difficult since the NWO has control of the Fed and some of the state governments. and in all of the states their influence is felt as far down as some of  the county and city level. Exposing these traitors would be a big step   in getting our nation back to constitutional government. They are successful because they stay hidden.                                                  

 @ObliterateTyranny  @Patrick Henry  @Jdangiel Constitutionalists are principled on the DCBR empowered by reason.  Neopoliticians AKA liberal are a single party parliamentary entity debauchery pledged to city state Globalist entity, Cult of Castores. 

Constitutionalists care, but they are not wiling to assert the 2nd amendment their militia having been outlawed by the NRA, Posse Comitatus and a plethora of UK inspired legislation 1936 through 2011 directed at repatriation. 

People don't like to hear this about the NRA, but the question then is what happened to our militia?  You won't get an intelligent answer from the NRA.  It's equivalent would have been the NMA, NOT the the clearing house and entertainment based entities that have come up in the US the past couple of years. 

Liberals DON'T care and they are VERY willing to assert atramental policy making which circumvents and derails the DCBR.  It's not a philosophy to them.  It's a job, which is why they are good at it.  They get the job done, and they are rewarded for this with unchecked access to money, drugs and sex (BDSM/Pedophilia). 

In the US, maintenance on the DCBR is a philosophy, which is why it's fallen to disuse.  You have to work at it to sustain it, and I don't think people quite understand this.  What they believe is the DCBR has some kind of magical power that will summons God to do our fighting for us.  That's not going to happen. 

God is intelligence, and to manifest God man has to use his intelligence.  Right now, in the US, people are too sleepy to care.  They fight every effort to educate them, and they DO NOT and WILL NOT perceive error in Obama who bears a perpetual smile on his face to bewilder their sensibilities.

No road ahead. 

@Patrick Henry@Jdangiel

For the States to be on the dole would require that the States somehow receive someone else's money. How can that be -- above all, for the poorer States whose money, property and land (stolen and confiscated by means of force and threat) is actually used AGAINST them (and the individuals that compose them) by the Federal government -- a governing body that was created to be not their judge and adversary but to be their agent?

For too many States, more money is being forcibly taken from within their boarders for not their mutual benefit, but for the benefit of other member States where there are more votes that can be more easily bought.

Is this for what the States joined this union? How can staying in this union or not defending themselves in any way be to their benefit -- or to stand idly by and allow their (supposed) agent spend them into oblivion?

Consider this: The credit that the Federal government is using (destroying) is not the Federal government's, but rather it is credit that was GRANTED to it and meant to be used for the PRESERVATION of the grantors -- NOT to be used for their destruction!

The problem is that the States that are being taken advantage of (and destroyed) by the Federal government seem to be just plain stupid -- about the dumbest States on this planet. They sit idle while the Federal government is used by other member States as an aggressive force against them to facilitate the thievery of their property, wealth, freedom, rights and sovereignty -- and the utter annihilation of their credit -- draining them of, and destroying everything that the Federal government was established to safeguard and preserve.

Instead of the Federal government using the powers granted and entrusted to it for the preservation of the States, it is doing everything to destroy them and render them insignificant.

Interestingly, the 2nd makes plain, as does the whole instrument, who ARE the masters and who IS the servant and agent -- and, who are the sovereigns and who is NOT the sovereign (with only few LIMITED sovereign powers granted to it by the true sovereigns) -- with the 2nd meant to GUARANTEE that the States have the tools and means to SUCCESSFULLY defend themselves from a tyrannical governing head; for, if the 2nd does not guarantee the tools and means for a successful defense, then it means nothing and is reduced to a mere decoration and a footnote that is nothing more than a mere passing mention of what were once free and sovereign States and are now no more than forgotten memories, reduce to mere colonies enslaved to be forever in service to its new master.

Whether anyone wants to admit it, the Federal government is at WAR with the States -- especially those that have not yet fallen to its will. But, without the remaining States putting up proper resistance and defense -- by exercising the rights and guarantees that they insisted upon for their own preservation by those that were first to join this Union -- they simply make it easy for their aggressors to facilitate their eventual fall and ultimate demise.

 @Patrick Henry  This is PH's version of "We're okay, coastx is NOT okay!"  When people suck up to me like that I tell them I don't liberal OR gay.  Ewe!

 @Patrick Henry I take no offense. Sometimes egos overtake intelligence. We have to roll with it.

 @Robert kepka  

He's a troll my friend. A condescending, pompous jerk who used to go by the name of gypsynovus here. I guess he got tired of people ignoring him and changed his username. Pay him no attention!

 @coastx  @RedTulie  @Patrick Henry Coastx Many of those born after 1963

 @Robert kepka  @RedTulie  @Patrick Henry Americans are bred on stupidity and laziness.

 @Patrick Henry Exactly right.  Though I've seen breathtaking corruption at city & county levels in Colorado, it still beats having to grapple with a tyrant that is so huge and nebulous as what our fed gov has become.  It's all about waking up the sheeple to what's going on right in front of them.

 @Robert kepka  @RedTulie  @Patrick Henry 

 @RedTulie Something else that bears mentioning is that I don't trust ANY govt. There's state and local govts. that are just as corrupt as Leviathan. The difference is that if we start forming smaller confederations, it'll be easier to manage. I ask people this question, which of your elected representatives are more responsive to you. The ones that are hundreds or even thousands of miles away. Or the city/county commissioner or mayor that may possibly live right down the road from you. It's about size and scale folks, we're completely out of scale. This beast has gotten WAY too big!

 @RedTulie  @Patrick Henry Wishful thinking. Ron Paul had been fighting the Fed for more than 20 years. The Republican party marginalized him and the sheep concurred.We can not even get an audit of the Fed bill passed. What Paul predicted would happen is happening.  We are broke. The Fed owns 60% of the debt. How did the Fed make all this money and we are broke? Could the Fed Buying the money from us at $20 for $1000 in bills and the lending it out at face value have anything to do with it? President Kennedy wanted to go back to a gold standard and look what happened to him.

 @RedTulie That's EXACTLY what needs to start happening. I'll be the first one to raise a glass of ale to all of you when it does.

 @Patrick Henry  When we finally get serious about telling the feds to go eff themselves we will STOP sending all our money (stolen tax money) to them and start spending it on the damned states. 

 @RedTulie The part I like about it is that it would keep the states from having to dance to the tune of the federal government in order to get income tax money back that rightfully belongs to them. Currently, people's income tax money goes straight to the IRS, then the federal government makes the states do things they don't want to do in order for the feds to allow them to have that same money for the use of the state. If the state gets that money from their citizens at tax time instead of the IRS getting it, then the federal government can't use it as a tool to manipulate the states.

 @Equality 7_2521  I think that probably would cause less of an uproar than expected; they'll just borrow more from Bernanke......problem solved.   

 @Patrick Henry  @dmellon With that thought in mind, I remember reading a few years ago about a state (maybe Colorado?) where someone tried to pass a bill that would effectively deal with cutting out the ability of the feds to hold money over the states heads the way they've been doing. The idea was this: The state passes a law saying that any/all tax money coming from citizens of that state must go directly to that state. Then the _state_ sends it to the feds, only if and when they choose to. That way anytime the feds are doing something unconstitutional, the state just says NO, and that's that. The feds can't withhold what they never receive in the first place.

Sure, that would cause an uproar, but hey... something like that is eventually gonna have to be done, if the federal government is ever gonna be put back in it's proper constitutional place.

 @Patrick Henry I think the consequences you mention and others would be well thought through before the law was approved by the legislature.  But lets assume the law is overturned by the federal courts, I would hope the people of WY and their legislature would say they disagree and will keep the law on the books much like CO and WA have recently done.  In that case I would imagine that the feds would do nothing until a federal agent was arrested for trying to enforce a ban of some sort.  That would be the point at which the people and the courts actually decide if the tenth amendment applies or not.

 @4b4mac YES!!