UPDATE AND SPECIAL ACTION ALERT FOR 02-03-12 BELOW
Introduced in the Virginia House of Delegates is House Bill 1160 (HB1160) which “Prevents any agency, political subdivision, employee, or member of the military of Virginia from assisting an agency or the armed forces of the United States in the investigation, prosecution, or detainment of a United States citizen in violation of the Constitution of Virginia.”
The bill is sponsored by Delegate Bob Marshall and was introduced on 01-16-12. It has been assigned to the House Courts of Justice Sub-Committee: #2 Civil. Visit this link for information on this Subcommittee.
The bill reads as follows:
Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:
1. § 1. Notwithstanding any contrary provision of law, no agency of the Commonwealth as defined in § 8.01-385 of the Code of Virginia, political subdivision of the Commonwealth as defined in § 8.01-385 of the Code of Virginia, employee of either acting in his official capacity, or any member of the Virginia National Guard or Virginia Defense Force, when such a member is serving in the Virginia National Guard or the Virginia Defense Force on official state duty, may engage in any activity that aids an agency of or the armed forces of the United States in the execution of 50 U.S.C. 1541 as provided by the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 (P.L. 112-18, § 1021) in the investigation, prosecution, or detainment of any citizen of the United States in violation of Article I, Section 8 or 11 of the Constitution of Virginia.
Virginia is now the first state in the nation to introduce and consider a version of the Liberty Preservation Act (click here for model legislation for your state) in response to unconstitutional kidnapping provisions in the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) of 2012. Sources close the to the Tenth Amendment Center tell us to expect up to ten states considering various laws or resolutions in response to the NDAA in the 2012 state legislative session.
CLICK HERE to track the status of NDAA nullification legislation around the country.
CLICK HERE to view a suite of model resolutions and legislation available for introduction in your area.
*****UPDATE 10:32AM – CONTACT INFO FOR SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS:*****
Courts of Justice Civil Law Subcommittee
Chairman Sal Iaquinto delsiaquinto@house.virginia.gov 804-698-1084
Delegate Terry Kilgore deltkilgore@house.virginia.gov 804-698-1001
Delegate Manoli Loupassi delmloupassi@house.virginia.gov 804-698-1068
Delegate Gregory Habeeb delghabeeb@house.virginia.gov 804-698-1008
Delegate Peter Farrell delpfarrell@house.virginia.gov 804-698-1056
Delegate Randy Minchew delrminchew@house.virginia.gov 804-698-1010
Delegate Joe Johnson deljjohnson@house.virginia.gov 804-698-1004
Delegate David Toscano deldtoscano@house.virginia.gov 804-698-1057
Delegate Jennifer McClellan deljmcclellan@house.virginia.gov 804-698-1071
Remaining Courts of Justice Committee Members
Chairman Dave Albo deldalbo@house.virginia.gov 804-698-1042
Delegate Robert Bell delrbell@house.virginia.gov 804-698-1058
Delegate Ben Cline delbcline@house.virginia.gov 804-698-1024
Delegate Todd Gilbert deltgilbert@house.virginia.gov 804-698-1015
Delegate Jackson Miller deljmiller@house.virginia.gov 804-698-1050
Delegate Ronald Villanueva delrvillanueva@house.virginia.gov 804-698-1021
Delegate Richard Morris delrmorris@house.virginia.gov 804-698-1064
Delegate Vivian Watts delvwatts@house.virginia.gov 804-698-1039
Delegate Charniele Herring delcherring@house.virginia.gov 804-698-1046
*****UPDATE 2:45PM*****
Passed out of subcommittee today – 6 Yay – 3 Nay
YEAS–Iaquinto, Kilgore, Habeeb, Farrell, Minchew, Johnson–6.
NAYS–Loupassi, Toscano, McClellan–3.
ABSTENTIONS–0.
NOT VOTING–0.
*****UPDATE 01-26 2:14PM*****
Bill number has been changed in the title and the blog text – HB1160. Thanks, Catherine Crabill!
*****UPDATE 02-03-12*****
This bill is scheduled for a committee hearing on Monday 02-06-12 and if you support this effort, Please ACT NOW. Sponsor, Delegate Marshall, has recommended this action.
If you live in Virginia – contact your delegates that are part of this committee
http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?121+com+H08 – Courts and Justice
1. Visit the committee link above
2. click on a committee member name that is your delegate – get their phone and email address.
3. CALL them. Best option – respectfully, yet firmly – urge them to pass this out of committee and let the bill get a full house vote. Whether they support the bill or not, you want the people of Virginia to get the opportunity to at least get it a full vote.
4. EMAIL them – even if call, you can still email too. Or just email. A courteous, strong and firm email – urging them to vote this bill out of committee and towards a full house vote.
5. Report Back – when you get responses, let us know! We want people to be informed of what their delegates are saying and doing.
@West Texan
Thats all well in good. But the Polls are showing him in the lead. And in accordance to the Rules of Impeachment, backed by the Constitution, and in accordance to Federal Laws, Obama is an Imposter. Thus, WE THE PEOPLE in the supportive organizations such as this one, have a right to have teh Speaker abide by the presented petition, make Obama step down. Then while the investigation and trials begin, the VP takes office, in the same manner, that VP Ford did, when Nixon was impeached. Why wait for the shoe to drop, only to learn, we should have acted sooner? Or would that be, waiting for the FEMA Camp Gillotine?
@RogueOperator1 @bitronictech @Michael Boldin @west Please, don’t kill the messenger. I’m on your side.
@West Texan @RogueOperator1 @bitronictech @Michael Boldin @west Well, allow me retort (Samuel L. Jackson voice):
Virginia House Nullifies NDAA’s Indefinite Detention Provision
@RogueOperator1 @bitronictech @Michael Boldin@west If a state chooses to cover vague areas of the NDAA, that’s up to them. But such legislation is pretty much useless given Article 6′s supremacy clause in the U.S. Constitution. That said, I agree with G. Lawson, et al., on the principle of reasonableness in their book The origins of the necessary and proper clause. This puts a restraint on presidential actions. Although this principle is not found in the constitution, it does carry legal weight. I’ll add that IF the ratifiers didn’t believe in federalism with its limited powers, they wouldn’t have added the 9th and 10th amendments . The Bill of Rights forms the very keystone holding our republic together. Subvert these guarantees and watch angered and determined American patriots ready to give the Beltway’s political elite a taste of their own cake.
@ruxpen4u Funny, I can review my comment until I’m blue. It’s only after posting that grammatical errors are caught. Apology given.
@ruxpen4u Impeach who? The president? We have an election this upcoming November. Although I’m an independent voter, I’m going a straight Republican ticket as this election is far too critical to split votes on a third party candidates or not even bother to vote at all. Our liberty and freedoms are heavily dependent on ousting Obama, Reid’s illicit club and as many of Pelosi’s mindless house members as possible. The NRA just started their get out the vote campaign featuring R. Lee Ermey. See http://www.triggerthevote.org. Let’s put these socialist wannabes back into their ugly hole. The Republicans will at least slow the big social progressive train down enough to buy time for future candidates who truly understand and respect our country’s constitution and American federalism.
Good evening ladies and gentlemen:
I have great news, to rock our nations Liberty Bell! I have sent to U.A.F.F., Alex Jones at infowars.com, Oath Keepers Org. JFPO, and other supporting organizations, the finalised copy of, the “Petition Of Impeachment. I informed each of them, that I would let you all and this organization know, that they had contact from me. The first goal, is to have all supporting organizations recieve this copy. Then the next goal, is to send a copy to all Congressmen, Senators, and Governors of each and every state.
Finally, the big question will be, who shall present this, to The Speaker Of The House? Will it be the Official of this organization; the 10th Ammendment Organization, or the Oath Keepers Organization? I will leave it up to this Organization to contact the Oath Keepers Org. and decide who shall present this to the Speaker Of The House. Once a decision is made, let me now, so that the others I sent a copy to, can be informed, where they can turn in their signed copies; to whom ever decides; to make the presentation, to the Speaker Of The House. And, as a fore-thought, either the Speaker Of The house will uphold the defense of the U.S. Constitution and the Federal Laws there of, as instructed by the Rules Of Impeachment; OR by a vote of ‘No Confidence’, they have to step-down, and let someone step-up, that will defend the people, our countries security, and the Constitution: take charge of the Impeachment Petition Campaign. Offfically, this marks the start of the Impeachment Campaign. I shall email with an attachment, the finalised copy to the email address of the 10th Ammendment Organization. God bless you all, and the country we live in.
I agree with what your saying. And whos to say, the government doesnt think WE are terrorists already? Anyone who doesnt support the New World Order, RFID Chip, and FEMA Camp extermination of Men, Women, Children; Christians, Saints, and Jews: the government considers the terrorists. Go figure.
In anycase, I never served my country, though I came close once, during the Gulf War.I dropped back into high school then, and was notified, that I was moved to the top of the list, for being drafted. Needless to say, the war ended before that ever occurred. But I stuck with it, and graduated with honors, and got my HS Diploma in 1991.
If the government were to murder me in cold blood, for standing up in defense of the people, though I dont know everyone; doesnt matter: and in defense of the Constitutional Rights, then my death will be that of a Self Sacrifice, for standiong up for whats right. My death, will be my servitude to my country. And in turn, it would be the start of Civil War, since that would nail teh last nail in thier own actions, for haveing murdered me in cold blood. Thus, God is my guidance. “Yea though I walk through the Valley, of the Shadow of Death, I will fear no evil; for thou (God) art with me.” Amen.
@West Texan, I think we all agree more than disagree. I also misstated earlier when I said the U.S. central government has enumerated “rights.” The People (maybe the States) have “rights”, NOT the central government. It has limited and enumerated “powers.” That makes it an inherently dangerous beast, as our Founders realized. The problem with something like this is, any despot gets to define who a “terrorist” is. Heck, as an Irishman, I could have been defined a terrorist fifty years ago if I stood with one side or the other in the Irish fight. You could today be defined a terrorist for believing that individuals, and not militia, were the subject of the 2nd amendment. I don’t care what the danger to the life and limb of the innocent, EVERY citizen MUST be afforded all their constitutional rights (yes, even a home grown al Quada terrorist). The greater danger is the loss of liberty for us all!
I agree with Blutarsky. If the Section 1021 & 1022, was so good, and not harmful, why lie to the people? He said he wasnt going to sign it; gives congress the ultimatum, that if Congress didnt sign it, it would hold up military santions. Hmmm, what does that have to do with anything? Its almost like, a Political threat to Congress. Moreover, he then signs it, after Congress did relunctantly, on New Years Day. We didnt get to vote on it, JUST as the Executive Orders, were not given to WE THE PEOPLE, to vote on, by George Bush Sr. So, violations are, denying the right to voters, knowing and willfully; cause WE THE PEOPLE would have NOT voted for Executive Orders then, as WE THE PEOPLE would NOT have voted for the NDAA that covers these 2 Sections. I finally got ahold of one of the Senators in WA and gave them a brief of the Pending Impeachment being developed, against a Non-American Political Terrorist; of which the Speaker Of the House has to abide by, or in accordance to the Rules Of Impeachment, be impeached themselves, with the charge of conspiracy and collaboration of New World Order Political Terrorism,and that would come with a vote of No Confidence; with further charges of suspicion of Herresy, and Sedition. Any President that counterdicts himself, and lies to WE THE PEOPLE; is incompetent and not able to perform the duties of that office. By June, each Organization includeing this one; and all Congressmen, Senators, and Governors, will get the OFFICIAL, finalised copy of, Impeachment, with listed charges, and all illegal orders and bills, to be nullified. God Bless America.
@West Texan @bitronictech @Michael Boldin @west You are correct West Texan, the text is quite explicit. However, the Virginia bill reasserts State’s rights and individual rights in a manner than is not quite redundant, and is more in accordance with The Constitution than the NDAA. There is a slight gray area in the NDAA that politicians acknowledged would be left to court interpretation. If a State legislature with jurisdiction for its own people clarifies the law, then that signals to the federal government that it plans to side with The Constitution as ratified and amended by the said State.
@West Texan Why don’t you expand on this? I don’t agree with the hysteria on NDAA either, after having read the text and compared it to the Constitutional laws on insurrection and laws on habeas corpus, the Virginia bill is a good one because it steps in legislatively where there seemed to be a gray area in U.S case law.
Conspiracy theorist irritate me with their manufactured nonsense. There’s absolutely no factual evidence to support anything you said. This stuff is best suited for industries like Hollywood’s fictional film market.
Nevertheless, as the Globalists see their agenda challenged and successfully repealed they will go to their next step of enforcing their agenda. The AGM-80 nuclear missile missing from Minot AFB, is more then likely to be exploded over some US City and declared a terrorist act by Tehran, Al Qaida, North Korea or some like entity. Justifying martial law in order to consolidate security.
Northcom isn’t assigned DHS with 200k+ troops for nothing and neither was urban warfare practiced in the Middle East for nothing but to effectively implement martial law and going door to door confiscating firearms and hoarded food.
You can bet the US Public that essentially depends on info from CNN and FOX will believe with dismay the terrorism caused by the explosion of this US nuclear missile exploded over some US City. Because it will literally kill tens of thousands more then 911.
The aghast of DHS and US politicos will ensure their agenda of unwarranted arrests and detention after the explosion of this monstrous missile stolen from Minot AFB in 2007. Fully explains the murder of the innocent soldiers used to make this look like an inadvertent shipping of a nuclear missile across the country.
And also why the media is mysteriously silent as to the whereabouts and loss of this nuclear device. It will be used at a time Tenth Amenders and sister groups are concentrating in backpedaling legislation nullifying the US Constitution.
Watch my fellow citizens because this is more then likely the next happenstance.
@West Texan Virginia has overstepped their power?!?! What?!?! The federal government did that with this legislation.
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Let us also not forget when Alex Jones announced the evidence. Hmmm…Man of his word, yet he is not an American, and a Kenyan Africa Birth Certificate was found. OK, so he forgeries Birth Certificate. But wait a minute! Thats right, darn it. (Being a smart donkey here) You cant be a President unless your born here. “I see said the blind man, as he picked up his hammer and SAW”. Case in point; he said he wouldnt sign the 2 sections. Yet tells congressif you dont, it holds back sanctions for militarry operations. Whats that? Then he signs it. Liar, Liar, Presidential Pants on fire! He may say he wont do anything with it, but that is not the point, now is it? A non-America President said he wouldnt sign it, and did. Of course he wont do anything with it, and yes he is a man of his word. LOL, he’s not ready to use it yet, to tear the Constitution Down, for New World Order. So, did I just hear Sheeple, who thinks he is telling the truth? BAAAA, BAAAA!
@jimdupont @West Texan Occasionally? The vast majority of those caged and tortured at Guantanamo were innocents who were never charged even under the extraordinary lax “judicial” system in place.
@Blutarsky Criticism accepted. I’m quite familiar with the U.S. Constitution. As you pointed out, however, I incorrectly used the word “enumerated” in referring to Virgina’s overstepping their boundary regarding the federal government’s “enumerated” power over national defense.
@West Texan @bitronictech @Michael Boldin@west You see when writing legislation you SPECIFY exactly what you mean. If you don’t you leave it up to interpretation. Obama believes this means he can indefinitely detain any citizen for any reason… but don’t worry he says he’s not going to that, and Obama is a man of his word. HAHAHA
@bitronictech @Michael Boldin@west You’ve taken the term “belligerent” completely out of context as far as the NDAA is concerned. They’re speaking about countries and/or terrorists groups that are hostile and at war with the united States, like al Oaeda and the Taliban. Any U.S. citizen who has knowingly aided these enemy “belligerents” is a traitor and forfeits any constitutional protections they would normally have had. I agree with msml’s comment below.
This is great! I shall work on forming a Bill for WA State. The WA State Senator may have ignored me when I emailed her, the last time, and the US President, who isnt an American Citizen even, may ignoore me; but TREASON is TREASON! Those that Support th New World Order are common NAZI Fascist devil worshipers, and Traitrors of tehUnited States of America. Your either an American who supports theUS Constittution, or your a Fricken NAZI Governor, NAZI President, and NZI Senator and Congressmen. So which is it? Once I use the instructions, if I dont get the common curtesies I deserve for the people of America, I will report in person to the Congressmens office where I live. Tear those God Dam, NAZI FEMA Camps down!
@FL10thAmendment Thx!
@West Texan The problem with your read on this is that there will occasionally be instances where they will detain an innocent person. That person will never get the opportunity to prove his or her innocence because there will never be a court trial. Even if they decide that the person is indeed innocent, they will be very reluctant to release them because they would fear a lawsuit. If we could be absolutely positive that the government would never make a mistake, this might be okay, but I doubt that the government will ever get to the point that it does not make mistakes. And besides that, this law is clearly unconstitutional. Check the 4th 5th, and especially the 6th amendments. We are guaranteed a speedy trial. This law takes away our right to ant trial at all.
@forgottenmen We have the template tools at http://t.co/rtudt3XD. NULLIFY #NDAA Now
Excellent decision.
I guess that means is if a United States Citizen, whatever ethnicity, is planning a terrorist activity in the state they must be tried by the court system and not through military tribunal.
‘Al Qaeda’ is the creation of the Federal Govt. and 911 was a classic case of’ ‘Jewish Lightning’…remember : always follow the money…and the winner is : Lucky Larry !!…No constitution can save you without the H (human) factor…
@Michael Boldin @West Texan The problem is that no system can be designed to cover all contingencies, and at some point we MUST trust men to make informed and ethical decisions. That’s the real problem – we don’t have men of character to trust.
The Founders did their best to guard against damage done by a Caesar, but realized that the character of the electorate had to meet a certain level of responsibility for our system to work. Unfortunately, as a nation, we seem to have passed that level going downhill in the fast lane.
If we find ourselves trembling under the lash, should we blame ourselves? Our freedom and our lives may have required a better defense than we gave them.
@Michael Boldin @West Texan The problem is that no system can be designed to cover all contingencies, and at some point we MUST trust men to make informed and ethical decisions. That’s the real problem – we don’t have men of character to trust.
The Founders did their best to guard against damage done by a Caesar, but realized that the character of the electorate had to meet a certain level of responsibility for our system to work. Unfortunately, as a nation, we seem to have passed that level going downhill in the fast lane.
If we find ourselves trembling under the lash, should we blame ourselves? Our freedom and our lives may have required a better defense than we gave them.
@Michael Boldin @West Texan The problem is that no system can be designed to cover all contingencies, and at some point we MUST trust men to make informed and ethical decisions. That’s the real problem – we don’t have men of character to trust.
The Founders did their best to guard against damage done by a Caesar, but realized that the character of the electorate had to meet a certain level of responsibility for our system to work. Unfortunately, as a nation, we seem to have passed that level going downhill in the fast lane.
If we find ourselves trembling under the lash, should we blame ourselves? Our freedom and our lives may have required a better defense than we gave them.
I would ike to see Illinois Legislatures sign onto a Bill like this to protect the citizens of Illinois from Federal encroachments, but unfortunately Illinois is already a police state.
@West Texan @Michael Boldin@west The problem West Texan is that the law does apply to United States citizens who are belligerent to the government, and there is a “narcissistic socialist wannabe in the oval office”. So wake up my friend.
@West Texan The Federal Government, not the states, has “enumerated rights.” All other rights are inherent to the people and the States. Learn your Constitution…
@deviatar What’s your position on the NDAA?
I believe it’s HB1160 NOT 1660.
@West Texan I really appreciate you checking that out and reporting your thoughts back.
The point here is something made in the article – this is a new power that was not authorized by the constitution. The founders knew that politicians use power to stop their opponents…..and while we’re not sure if Obama would necessarily use this kind of power (he claims he HAS it but won’t)…..allowing someone like him to have the power to arrest someone like you without warrant – if some opponent of yours claims you’re a terrorist….is not something we trust to the “goodness” of the president.
That’s the key – if we have to “trust” that these federal thugs will only use this kind of power against our enemies – we’re in BIG trouble.
Looking forward to discussing more topics with you in the near future…
@Michael Boldin@west Thanks for sharing your thoughtful article. Your points are well received and understood. My CL organizations include the Texas state and national rifle associations. Both groups are continuously in the cross hairs of anti-gun groups, like Obama’s minions, as supporting domestic terrorism anytime some nut job goes on a shooting spree. Neither organization would ever advocate nor tolerate such malevolent acts of violence. That’s not the case with extremists like al Qaeda. This particular group’s verbalized and demonstrated objective is the destruction of innocent life for the purpose of terrorizing those they disagree with and/or hate. Any American who joins or supports said murderers is a traitor to our country’s values of liberty and security. As a military veteran, I know the difference between true enemy threats and benign CL organizations with their occasional deranged player. In addition, I swore an oath to support and defend the U.S. Constitution and its Bill of Rights, not some narcissistic socialist wannabe in the oval office.
@West Texan Read our analysis of the bill and let us know if you still think the same….
http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2012/01/04/ndaa-open-season-for-the-police-state/
Virgina has overstepped their enumerated power under the U.S. Constitution. I don’t trust Obama’s socialist wannabe rule anymore than the next American patriot. But I’ve found nothing in the NDAA that violates or threatens the civil rights of law abiding citizens. Fact is, the language seeks to protect innocent Americans from belligerent acts by malicious extremist groups and their support networks. In other words, the NDAA’s detention policy addresses enemies of the United States, be they foreign or domestic. It does not give the president free reign to do as he wishes, even if he did tell the nation he’d do what he wants with or without congress. It’s not Obama’s call to detain Americans purely at his own pleasure.
Virgina has overstepped their enumerated power under the U.S. Constitution. I don’t trust Obama’s socialist wannabe rule anymore than the next American patriot. But I’ve found nothing in the NDAA that violates or threatens the civil rights of law abiding citizens. Fact is, the language seeks to protect innocent Americans from belligerent acts by malicious extremist groups and their support networks. In other words, the NDAA’s detention policy addresses enemies of the United States, be they foreign or domestic. It does not give the president free reign to do as he wishes, even if he did tell the nation he’d do what he wants with or without congress. It’s not Obama’s call to detain Americans purely at his own pleasure.
Every politician in office right now in DC needs to be thrown out! Every last one!
@SuzanneNoel absolutely. And please spread the word that the states CAN stop the #NDAA too. Like #Virginia now – http://bit.ly/zNwHz9
The Nationwide NDAA 2012 Congressional Protest is Feb. 3rd. Please spread the word! http://www.facebook.com/events/upcoming#!/events/335643799778967/
@OccupyUmd please pass it around, and this CAN be stopped on a local level…
@TenthAmendment That is awesome! We have a coalition of student groups fighting against SOPA, I know many are angry about NDAA as well.