Should Pres. Obama be Detained for Violating the NDAA?

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Originally published at The New American Magazine

If President Obama is supporting al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces, should he be subject to indefinite detention under the terms of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA)?

As The New American has chronicled since it was first proposed, the NDAA purportedly authorizes the president of the United States to deploy the armed forces to apprehend and indefinitely detain anyone suspected of providing support to terrorists. Section 1021 of the NDAA reads in relevant part:

Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40; 50 U.S.C.1541 note) includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law of war.

A covered person under this section is any person as follows:

A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.

And, finally:

Detention under the law of war without trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force.

A plain reading of Section 1021 reveals, then, that anyone who is found to have “substantially supported” al-Qaeda or associated forces can be detained by the military until the end of the War on Terror. Now, the relevant question becomes: Has President Obama substantially supported al-Qaeda and if so, how? 

To begin our inquiry, let’s take a look at a recent article published by Reuters. In this article dated August 1 detailing a secret order signed by President Obama providing support to Syrian rebel forces opposing the regime of Bashar al Assad, Reuters writes that “Recent news reports from the region have suggested that the influence and numbers of Islamist militants, some of them connected to al Qaeda or its affiliates, have been growing among Assad’s opponents.”

The next day, The New American’s Alex Newman covered the same story, writing that: “…Western governments, brutal Sunni-Arab dictatorships, an assortment of terror groups including al-Qaeda, and other powerful interests have all been backing the uprising since long before violence even broke out last year.”

Later that same day, in a story covering the violence of the Syrian uprising, the BBC reported:

The al-Qaeda-styled group in Syria is Jabhat al-Nusra li-Ahl al-Sham (the Front for the Protection of the Syrian People).

Like other al-Qaeda affiliated groups, al-Nusra’s statements and videos are usually issued by its own media group, al-Manara al-Baida (the White Minaret) in Syria.

Al-Nusra has claimed responsibility for several attacks against the Syrian army, security and shabiha (state-sponsored thugs) since it announced its formation early this year.

Finally, under a headline reading “Al-Qaida turns tide for rebels in battle for eastern Syria,” the Guardian (U.K.) reports:

They try to hide their presence. “Some people are worried about carrying the [black] flags,” said Abu Khuder. “They fear America will come and fight us. So we fight in secret. Why give Bashar and the west a pretext?” But their existence is common knowledge in Mohassen. Even passers-by joke with the men about car bombs and IEDs [improvised explosive devices].

According to Abu Khuder, his men are working closely with the military council that commands the Free Syrian Army brigades in the region. “We meet almost every day,” he said. “We have clear instructions from our [al-Qaida] leadership that if the FSA need our help we should give it. We help them with IEDs and car bombs. Our main talent is in the bombing operations.” Abu Khuder’s men had a lot of experience in bomb-making from Iraq and elsewhere, he added.

The foregoing accounts of the hostilities in Syria provide nearly irrefutable evidence that numerous al-Qaeda militants are found among the ranks of Syrian rebels (particularly within the Free Syrian Army), including among those filling leadership roles within those forces.

Now that such a presence has been proven, the inquiry into whether the President of the United States has provided “substantial support” to al-Qaeda in violation of the NDAA, an act he signed into law on December 31, 2011, moves to the “secret order” mentioned above.

From Alex Newman’s report:

President Obama has signed a secret order purporting to authorize even more “covert” U.S. government support to the armed opposition. Multiple establishment press outlets reported the latest development citing official sources, indicating that the administration likely released the news for a purpose.

According to media reports, Obama’s latest secret “intelligence” order claims to grant the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and other U.S. government agencies even broader latitude in supporting the “revolutionaries.”

Exactly what the nature of the support that the president authorized the CIA to give to the Free Syrian Army is unknown. However, what is known is that late last month the U.S. Treasury Department approved a license granting to a group known as the Washington Syrian Support Group power to provide direct financial assistance to the Free Syrian Army. According to CNN’s account of the Treasury’s decision, “The Washington-based representative of the Free Syrian Army is allowed to conduct financial transactions on the rebel group’s behalf but is not allowed to send military equipment.”

In addition to the financial assistance facilitated by the U.S. Treasury, the State Department has allocated $25 million for “nonlethal” assistance to the Syrian opposition, in addition to the $64 million in humanitarian assistance earmarked for Syria.

Perhaps, some may argue, President Obama is not aware of the presence of al-Qaeda militants in the Syrian opposition. Unless he doesn’t talk to members of his cabinet, such an assertion is unsupportable.

At a press conference in May, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta admitted, “We do have intelligence that indicates an al-Qaeda presence in Syria.” So much for not knowing.

Then at a briefing in Washington, D.C. in July, the State Department’s Coordinator for Counterterrorism, Daniel Benjamin, recognized the influence and contribution of al-Qaeda to the Free Syrian Army’s cause. Said Benjamin:

So long as Assad refuses to go and Syria’s transition is blocked, the danger grows of more foreign fighters, including extremists of the al-Qaida type, infiltrating Syria. We are not — we are very much alert to this issue. We’ve spoken with the Syrian opposition groups and warned them against allowing such fighters to infiltrate their organizations. They’ve assured us that they are being vigilant and want nothing to do with AQ or with violent extremists. And I should add that the Free Syrian Army has issued several statements urging foreign fighters to leave Syria.

Apparently the Obama administration’s answer to the FSA’s embrace of al-Qaeda is to “just say no.” Not that their refusal to reject al-Qaeda recruits will keep the money from flowing, however.

In light of the weight of the foregoing evidence, little if any doubt remains that President Obama is knowingly providing “substantial support” to al-Qaeda and associated forces operating in Syria. He is thereby violating Section 1021 of the NDAA and is subject to indefinite detention by the armed forces of the United States.

In fairness, however, President Obama is not alone in this unlawful endeavor. Congressional leaders calling for U.S. military intervention in Syria on behalf of the rebels — whose ranks are rife with al-Qaeda militants — are complicit in the propping up of our supposed enemy in the never-ending War on Terror and should rightfully be apprehended and detained until the end of these hostilities.

About Joe Wolverton, II

Apart from his work as a journalist, Joe Wolverton, II is a professor of American Government at Chattanooga State and was a practicing attorney until 2009. He lives in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Since 2000, Joe has been a featured contributor to The New American magazine. Most recently, he has written a cover story article on the Tea Party movement, as well as a five-part series on the unconstitutionality of Obamacare.

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Roberto Benitez
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For an organization that purports to support the Constitution, posting the question, "Should Pres. Obama be Detained for Violating the NDAA?" is ludicrous. We can't arrest and imprison a president without FIRST IMPEACHING him.

 

In addition, does anyone here really think that the Democrat controlled Senate would vote to convict Mr. (intentional) Obama for anything short or murder at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., and maybe not even then even if caught in flagrante delicto?

 

 

WereAllScrewed
WereAllScrewed

 @Roberto Benitez You cannot IMPEACH OBAMA because he is not a "Legitimate President" (since he does not meet the Citizenship requirements he is a USURPER, impeachment only applies to legitimate office holders, he can however be imprisoned for what he has done) and OBTW the Democrat controlled Senate would never vote for impeachment  anyway.  I believe the makeup of the Senate will change after the Election, regardless of whether he gets the boot or re-elected he will be facing some very real problems.

Roberto Benitez
Roberto Benitez

 @WereAllScrewed  @Roberto Benitez Please read the Constitution. The only way to remove the person occupying the presidency is through impeachment and conviction or voting the person out of office. There're no other provisions in the Constitution for removal of a president.

This is further supported by an appellate ruling that only after the Electoral College has voted and before a winner takes office can that winner's eligibility be challenged by Congress. It's a bad ruling but it is what it is.

In addition, to convict and remove a president by the Senate it takes 66 votes. Hence I wrote that the Democrats would never vote for conviction of a fellow Democrat even if there was a murder at the WH.

That's why we need an Amendment requiring proof of meeting eligibility requirements for any federal office for running for or being appointed to such. We also need an Amendment defining precisely what constitutes a natural born citizen and excluding anchor babies from automatic citizenship.

However, I hope you're right about the change to the makeup of the Senate although I don't see taking 66 seats there. Still, if Mr. (intentional) Obama is defeated, there's little chance he'd be jailed for any crime although perhaps he should be if it were later proven in court he wasn't a natural born US citizen. We're not like a lot of other countries where there're frequent jailings of the opposition and that's as it should be. As it is, we have Obama using the IRS and SEC to intimidate the opposition.

DanChristopher
DanChristopher

 @Roberto Benitez Roberto...

Yes, you are correct.  Besides, it would be the President who would "make the call". 

Further, w/ re: to the Legislature...Socialist and Neo-Con...they gave us ObamaCare, NDAA, HR 347, HR 645...I am shocked the 2nd Amend. still stands.  Give then time! 

Last night, I viewed: 2016 OBAMA'S AMERICA.   Even for someone as informed, as I am... really frightening.  We all know about the economy,  the illegal wars, and the attacks against the Constitution...but, the reduction (of USA only!!!) of our nuclear weapons stock-pile...from 5,000 to 1,500...and plans to eliminate them completely!!!!   He is making enemies throughout the world...and dis-arming us..simultaneously!!!!   And yet...Romney speaks NOT (a) word about it!?!?!?   Can you say, NEW WORLD ORDER????   They all, are treasonous maggots!

DanChristopher
DanChristopher

Forget all the side-shows.   Read NDAA.  It takes our rights!    The elimination of the Constitution can NOT be intellectualized.  The Constitution and the Bill of Rights ARE the foundation of our Liberties.  Lose the Constitution...lose the Liberties.    It is LIBERAL who intellectualize the Constitution.  We CONSERVATIVES are to respect the FOUNDERS intent...and the actual words!!  Quit being Neo-Con "sheeple"!!!   End of story!

DanChristopher
DanChristopher

As I said...just keep backing them.   So, Bernanke and all those people who run all the media, and banking are not Jews?   And, the: Old Testament, Talmud, Torah and the Jewish Encyclopedia...and their teachings are all imaginary.

You sir...embarrass yourself.  Better to be silent...and let everyone believe you a fool, than to open your mouth and prove them correct.

Libertys_PriceTag
Libertys_PriceTag

"Why would the Jesuits use their implacable enemy, the Jews, to further their designs for world dominion? The Jesuits never do anything out in the open where they are exposed. If they are recognized as the culprits, they will be blamed and suffer the consequences, but if they can use someone else as the 'cause of the world's problems' , especially an enemy they can destroy in the process, then they have simultaneously accomplished two of their objectives. The Jewish people are the perfect scapegoat. Since the Rothschilds are Jesuit agents operating under a Jewish cover, using them [ i.e. , the Rothschilds] in forming the Illuminati back in 1776 effectively throws the onus of this conspiracy on the Jews. The Rothschilds are certainly not the only Jesuit agents that operate under a Jewish front". -Bill Hughes (The Enemy Unmasked.)  You "Get Smart" people posting below........

DanChristopher
DanChristopher

Just keep backing the Zionists, Obama and the Neo-Cons...everything will be fine!

DanChristopher
DanChristopher

Dude...I'm done here.  Vote for that Communist if you want.  Now wonder this country is so f#cked up...people like you, actually believe the BS on the TV news.   You really aught to start listening to Ron Paul more...if you listen, even you might learn something.  Nah...never mind...it's too late for you...too much fluoride, alcohol or drugs... you sir...are toast!

DanChristopher
DanChristopher

The Zionists are NO other country's ally!   See: the USS Liberty.  Why have most of the spies against America been Jews?  You really aught to study Rothschild banking: 1st and 2nd banks of America.  When Andrew Jackson threw them out in 1811...that gave birth to the war of 1812...we almost lost our nation of them!  Then study the Balfour Decree...that sucked America into WWI...to fight to save the Rothschild empire in London.    Google: "The Other Israel"...we, "Goim" are looked at as sub-human by the Jews.  The Talmud...even in the Old-Testiment...Book of Ezekiel XXXIV, at 31...we are to be the beast of burden to the Jews.  As for post 1948 Palestine/"Israel"...they have been slaughtering the Palestinian people ever since!!!  Did you ever stop to think...what ever happened to the Palestinian people after the Zionist took over???   You, really, must stop watching the Zionist propaganda (including FOX)...   You know...Europeans think Americans understanding of International events is laughably tragic!!!

Roberto Benitez
Roberto Benitez

 @DanChristopher I can understand your concern for the Constitution. What I don't understand is your disrespect of the Bible. It seems you have a hatred for those who are called the apple of God's eye, the Jews. And please remember, Jesus was a Jew.

DanChristopher
DanChristopher

West Texan...

NDAA suspends the 4th,5th, 6th, 8th and 14th Amendments.  That is a bad thing!  The critical portion of NDAA  is, when it speaks of: Al Queda...OR ANY OTHER TERRORIST GROUPS!!!   In legaleze, such vague and ambiguous language is very dangerous!!!   So, who might OBAMA decide is another "terrorist group" ....The Tea-Party,  Occupy, NRA, veterans, the GOP...who????   Obama is a Communist, and if you read his Executive Orders...he's a wanna-be Dictator too!   That is the reason for the Constitution...to protect the Citizens from an oppressive tyrannical government!!!

 

As for "stabilization v. (de)stabilization of countries that we interfere w/ (Syria for example)...every country we attack...we (de) stabilize.  This happens to appease their (our elected representatives) masters....they are merely puppets.  We know Obama is a Communist...why doesn't Romney expose all that Obama is doing (NDAA, HR 346, HR 645...all the EO's...Hillary at the UN)...because they both answer to the same powers that be!!!

 

Why is Ron Paul ignored....because he does not answer to the same powers!!!

 

Just so you understand my posture in this matters, more fully.

 

West Texan
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 @DanChristopher said "So, who might OBAMA decide is another "terrorist group" ....The Tea-Party,  Occupy, NRA, veterans, the GOP...who????".

 

You're confusing terrorism with free speech. The murderous al-Qaeda is guilty of the prior while the American groups your mentioned engage in the latter. This said, Presidents are constitutionally bound to the reasonableness of their decisions and/or action(s), regardless of how many trappings of power they enjoy. This unwritten "reasonableness" rule has strong legal standing. 

DanChristopher
DanChristopher

 @West Texan The reason  America has troubles, is because we have not adhered to the strictures of the Constitution.   Woodrow Wilson sold the US out in 1913 to the Rothschild Zionists (Fed Res Act)...and we have been led by the noses ever since!!  You really aught to study the: Balfour Decree; WWI, Espionage Act.  Then get into how Hitler set-up Germany for his take-over.  And really, study (closely) 9/11...it was such a set-up!!!   And we have permitted our rights, our children, and our money to be taken from us in the name of that "false-flag" incident ever since.  I know you confuse easily...just study two parts of 9/11...building #7...and the Pentagon.  If you have ANY mechanical sense...you will see, we were spoon-fed propaganda.  Face it, when the Government and the Leftist media agree on ANYTHING...eyebrows must be raised!!!

West Texan
West Texan

@DanChristopher

To put it politely, I wasn't going to respond to your misinformed comment. But the question I had of you needed an answer. Have you ever served your country defending the Constitution of which you speak? If so, you have my personal gratitude and respect even though I thoroughly disagree with you. If not, don’t waste my time with your armchair "Truther" nonsense.  

DanChristopher
DanChristopher

 @West Texan Then continue to vote for the NWO maggots (Romney or Obama).  It's due to sheeple like you, that  America is doomed.  The Constitution is our bed-rock.  The refusal to adhere to the strictures of the Constitution is ...the problem!!!   I realize, expecting you to understand what DIDN'T happen on 9/11 would be too much for you.  Let me leave you w/ this...to change the Constitution is a bad thing...can you understand that much? And please, stop watching the Jew Propaganda on the broadcast news....please!!! 

West Texan
West Texan

 @DanChristopher IMHO, conspiracy theories are a twisting of  history and manufactured hogwash. Enough said. 

mlnw
mlnw

To:  Dan and B York from mlnw:    

 

I was addressing the way the statute was drafted and how the language of the statute does not require the President to be detained, even if he is supporting a listed "terrorist group".  

 

I agree with you, however, about the constitutional issues surrounding the NDAA- in this regard, Chris Hedges and his team of plaintiffs (and Judge Forrest) have been heroic; and, I am deeply opposed to the drone and targeted assassination programs, as well as the policy of  prosecuting whistleblowers disclosing official criminal conduct or other official wrongdoing; and as well, the over accumulation of power in the President, especially since the narrative of 9/11 which is the basis for all of these laws is not only flawed, it has been misapplied- so, yes, this is all an outrage.  Though, I don't agree that Obama is a Communist (he is a stealth Wall Streeter who offers something a bit more for the middle class, declining as it is- than the Romney camp).  

 

On national security and foreign policy, including starting and fueling so many clandestine wars all over the world, he has had a very poor record, except that, up to now he has been able keep us out of war with Iran, and in subtle ways has been keeping Netanyahu at bay-  the most recent being General Dempsey's 'slap down' of Netanyahu and Barak about their sabre rattling and claims of their military capability to shut down Iran.   Obama's  failure in all of this is in not being bold and marginalizing the hawks, and instead of pursuing hegemony, seeking a fair and lasting peace in the Middle East and elsewhere in the world.  I think, if he were to be bolder about this and were to focus on rebuilding America, (and also in doing business instead of war with foreign countries) he could get America working again and comfortable that it is finally doing the right thing in the world.   Until then expect America to continue to decline.

DanChristopher
DanChristopher

 @mlnw Dude...not a communist!!!   Are you kidding?   What do you call ObamaCare...just for one!!!    Have you ever studied his Executive Orders???? Sure, he's not a purest communist, as "websters" may describe.  But, what Communist Dictator is...they and all their crownies are fat-city...and the rest are starving slaves.  Why do you think "they" enacted: NDAA, HR 347, HR 645...and eliminated the protection of Posse Comitatis???  So, when  the economy implodes...kinda like the Trade Towers...and the sleeping masses awakens...Marshal Law...Military Control!!!   Wake up!!!   You embarrass yourself!!!

mlnw
mlnw

One correction-  Obama has been able to keep us out of a hot and or nuclear war with Iran, though he has been waging an illegal clandestine war against it ever since he became President in 2009-  and all of this because Iran has been developing a commercial nuclear program which by Treaty it is permitted to do- and also for having supported Hezbollah which gave Israel a bloody nose in 2006 and supports Palestinian statehood, and Syria, which has territorial sovereignty over valuable pipelines and offshore natural gas reserves, and the water rich and fertile Golan Heights which Israel occupies and seeks to annex.

 

The Administration should make a grand bargain with Iran.  It has huge energy reserves and would welcome U.S. investment and technology if it could be assured it were no longer threatened.  That alone would put Americans back to work big time.  Unfortunately, up to now the Administration and Congress have been put into a straitjacket and/or blackmailed by AIPAC and Netanyahu and have been reluctant to show him the door.  If anyone are an existential threat to world peace, it is Netanyahu, Barak and Peres- our latter day Hitler, Goering and Hess.  Just worry that with his foreign policy team and his obsequiousness to Netanyahu and a shady billionaire casino owner who is more loyal to Israel than the U.S.,  if Romney were President the U.S. would be totally screwed, not just badly screwed.

mlnw
mlnw

 @DanChristopher None of it is sustainable if we continue to fund these wars and defense procurements, nor is it sustainable just by cutting all debt- certainly not unless debt with the major banks is renegotiated, and the obscene middleman and underwriter profits are recouped.  

 

The U.S. needs a real pro-investment policy to increase revenues and income in excess of expenses, and a tax policy that begins to tax the super rich for the astronomical benefits they receive from doing business and earning money in this country.  It also means finding the trillions that they have hidden, and suing and recouping from the banks the massive amounts they have stolen from the system through LIBOR fraud, etc.

 

Finally, if we were a nation at peace but were doing real business abroad with countries like Iran and others that want a new relationship and need our technology, and have the resources in hand, or in the ground to pay for it all, we could begin to reverse this decline and path to financial suicide.

 

Don't think there is not concern for the issues you raise.  There is, but it is not inevitable.

West Texan
West Texan

 @mlnw You said "Obama has been able to keep us out of ... nuclear war with Iran ...".

 

Are you kidding? Obama's Persian Gulf policy has made America far more vulnerable to "nuclear war with Iran". That said, whatever nuclear weapons capability Iran's ruling theocrats come up with wouldn't stand a chance against America's arsenal. It'd be pure suicide for the Mullahs' dictatorial regime.  Not to mention that Israel alone is fully capable of cleaning the mullahs' clock. The problem is eliminating a proven diabolical threat to the Israeli and Iranian peoples. No thanks. I'll stand firm with Israel and Iran's suffering population.

DanChristopher
DanChristopher

 @mlnw Let me address your letter in reverse order.  Romney is a NWO, Neo-Con Maggot.  That is a given.

 

But, Obama is an Islamic Communist who is hell-bent on the destruction of the US Constitution, and the enslavement of the American people.

 

What part of this debt do you think is sustainable?  The Fed, keeps printing this fiat currency...unchecked by Congress...diminishing the actual value of the dollar.  Case-n-point...in 1986 for every hour I worked, I could purchase 23-24 gals of gasoline (gross pay).  Now, despite my wages increasing 50%, I can purchase 7-8 gals of the same gasoline.  They value of our dollar has diminished!!!   And once the Yuan replaces the dollar as the currency of International exchange (very soon), the bottom is going to drop-put for the dollar.  Inflation is going to jump, like never before.  Houses...everything...will be lost.  That is why NDAA, HR 347, HR 645, Posse Comitatis (elimination).  So the Army can be our police.  Why do you think Hillary is pushing so tough w/ the UN gun grab....a proper slave can not be armed!!!!

 

And Dude, Google: The Invisible Empire (about 2 1/4 hrs) and view: The Other Israel (58min).  You really aught to learn about your enemy.

DanChristopher
DanChristopher

B York...

Your hypothetical question is illogical.  NDAA suspends the 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th and 14th Amendments... Consequently, there is NO Due PROCESS for those detained under NDAA.   Said "confinee" would be there 'till the end of said "hostilities".  And the MIC will make sure...our "War on Terror" never ends!!!  NDAA is no joke...it is the end of the Constitution!   Sure, Obama signed it....but ALL THE NEO-CONS ARE FOR IT.  John McCain co-wrote it!!!   When questioned...he said, he wanted the American people to fear the Government!!!!   They all took (the) Oath of Office...to protect the Constitution!!  They all, violated their Oath, and our trust....they committed perjury...they lied under Oath!!!

Your next reading assignment...HR 347.   After you catch your breath...then read HR 645!!!

They have taken our country...our own legislature!!!!

B York
B York

If Obama were to be detained under the provisions of NDAA, and if he were granted due process to defend himself in a court, would his defense team then claim that the law is unconstitutional?

mlnw
mlnw

The analysis is fine as  far as it goes, but recall that the prior Administration, Congress and the Courts have all agreed that foreign policy (except for the declaration of war and the funding of it) and the execution of military policy is within the purview of the President, and, that this provision gives the President the power to detain or not to detain- i.e., he, and he alone can choose whether to apply Sections 1021 and 1022.

DanChristopher
DanChristopher

West Texan...

How can you buy into anything that communist maggot claims to be real???   There is nothing about stabilizing anything!!!  Quite the contrary...the Communist manifesto endorses (destabilization).  Then the huddled masses will turn to the government for help.  And that is when the power is shifted.  We are almost there...that is why: NDAA, HR 347, HR 645...to "deal" w/ the rioting masses!!!   Soon the Chinese Yuan will replace the US Dollar as the currency if International Commerce...at that point, our "fiat" currency will collapse in value.  And commodity traded internationally...will sky-rocket in (American Dollar) price!!!

People will be losing their homes, like never before...that is why "they" have stolen our Constitution!!!  Also, Read of Posse Comitatis...being stolen...GW Bush!!!  BTW...the Neo-Con McCain co-wrote NDAA.... the maggot traitor!!!

West Texan
West Texan

 @DanChristopher Although your reply is appreciated, the message is unclear. The communist manifesto was about class warfare. True, the socialist wannabe demagogues currently running DC's overreaching circus have moved domestic politics further into that ugly realm. But what does that have to do with the NDAA's handling of America's sworn enemies?

tasteofaz
tasteofaz

@Swauny Fire Serial Liar Obama, 100% Dems, RINOs & 99% GOP Nov 6th 4 Citizen Legislators Who'll Swear 2 Uphold US Constitution & DO IT!

DanChristopher
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Those who sacrifice liberty for temporary security...deserves neither!!!

RickLapLante
RickLapLante

NDAA only applies to American citizens. When he renounced his American citizenship in order to get Indonesian citizenship in order to go to Indonesian schools, the NDAA no longer applied to him.

RickLapLante
RickLapLante like.author.displayName 1 Like

As if overthrowing the government in Egypt to install the Muslim Brotherhood as another installment towards the Middle East caliphate wasn't enough?

West Texan
West Texan

The professor's connection is interesting. But IMHO he's mixing apples and oranges. I've never been a big fan of Obama's foreign policy. But a U.S. President's constitutional foreign affairs responsibility encompasses several objectives. One is defense of the nation. Such is the NDAA's reasonable use of military measures to protect America's citizens and residents. Then there's the diplomatic side of  the foreign affairs equation. Today's focus is on the Syrian dictatorship's threatening destabilization of the region. The administration is not intentionally aiding indiscriminate terrorist activities. Rather their efforts are aimed at ending of a murderous regime.   

mlnw
mlnw

 @West Texan The Syrian regime destabilizing the region?  Thought it was the other way around, with a lot of "wilding" and "gang rape", pursuant to a plan conceived and coordinated over a number of years.  Syrian government- authoritarian? Yes, but ironically, Assad had begun a constitutional reform process, that included parliamentary elections, and a referendum in February, 2012, and was scheduled to be completed in 2014.   If his government lacked popular support it would have, with all of the destabilization efforts that have occurred to date, collapsed much earlier.  Also, don't forget that, Netanyahu and Barak notwithstanding, some of the best military and intelligence leaders, former leaders, and experts in Israel considered Syria a stable neighbor, not one interested in going to war with Israel.

 

Re: Iran, you are right that our Persian Gulf policy has made the situation more incendiary- it was a serious mistake- and you are also right that U.S. shock and awe would do major, major damage, but Israel acting on its own would have much less of an effect, even if it were considerable, and recent statements by Gen. Dempsey were geared to shut up Netanyahu, at least for the time being.  You may also contend that the Iranian regime is murderous.  It is not really so when you compare it to many of our allies in the Persian Gulf and elsewhere; and, you are urged to read up on contemporary Iranian history.  (Why not also visit the NIAC website?  Even if you don't agree with it, there is a lot of good information you can find there.)

 

Theocratic or not, the Iranians are trying to develop their country, and a commercial nuclear energy program is a way for them to maximize the value of their oil and gas by selling it on the open market, rather than by subsidizing it through their domestic utilities.  

Why not try to negotiate a grand bargain that solves a whole host of regional problems, and gives Israel a lasting peace with the Palestinians, and its neighbors rather than this continued expansionism and wars that are destroying theirs and our democracy and in the long term will be unsustainable.   You can do better business if the world is at peace. Thinking that another war will be a cakewalk  over the long term and would not contribute materially to the present financial disaster is foolish.  (Maybe you are a have the means not to have to care, but for the rest of us a sober and prudent diplomatic policy would be better.)

TheEagleKeeper
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Hey...what's good for the goose is good for the gander... The kidnapping provision should be turned on its creators. If the shoe fits....

DanChristopher
DanChristopher like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @TheEagleKeeper Please Google: Petition (Reclamation Amendment) Project X!!

Read it...sign it....forward it to ALL.

God, please save America!!!

DanChristopher
DanChristopher like.author.displayName 1 Like

Please Google:  Petition (Reclamation Amendment) Project X.

Find the petition.  Read it. Sign it.  Forward it to all who want to save America.

Please....

 

DanChristopher
DanChristopher like.author.displayName 1 Like

No question this should be done...and, most on Capital Hill too.

Then to the media...who spreads their propaganda.

And to the MIC corporations who bribe our elected representatives

And the Federal Reserve Bank...and the rest of the banks!!!

And let there be another Builderberger meeting in America!!!!

Counsel on Foreign Relations

Rand Corporation

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msbetz
msbetz like.author.displayName 1 Like

He should have been detained in 2008...along with the rest or the republicans and democrats that put him in office! They all KNOW that he's not eligible re/US Constitutional requirement.

~~~The Democrat and Republicans are BI-PARTISAN on every illegal act against the constitution~~~

They should be locked up in those "fema camps" that they built for somebody.

jsbrodhead
jsbrodhead

BS-Barry should be indefinitely detained, while awaiting trial as a foreign enemy combatant. He(?) has, while claiming to be acting with the authority of the Office of POTUS, ordered the execution of American Citizens, without so much as the consenting opinion of a judge, let alone due process.He(?) has made deals with foreign powers, not our allies, for purposes unknown to the Congress, nor the People.He(?) has politicized at every opportunity, the very security of these United States of America.

 

Why do I write  "He(?)"  ?  Because WE DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE OCCUPIER 'N THIEF!

dmmckinney
dmmckinney

@TenthAmendment And for violating his oath to defend the CONSTITUTION, against all enemies, foreign & hisownself.

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