First in the Nation: Idaho House Passes Health Care Nullification

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In an historic vote in the Idaho House of Representatives, the Federal Health Care Nullification Act (originally authored by the Tenth Amendment Center) passed by a vote of 49-20.

House Bill 117 (H117) states, in part:

The state of Idaho hereby exercises its sovereign power to declare the public policy of the state of Idaho regarding the right of all persons residing in the state of Idaho in choosing the mode of securing health care services free from the imposition of penalties, or the threat thereof, by the federal government of the United States of America relating thereto

The principle behind such legislation is nullification, which has a long history in the American tradition. When a state ‘nullifies’ a federal law, it is proclaiming that the law in question is void and inoperative, or ‘non-effective,’ within the boundaries of that state; or, in other words, not a law as far as the state is concerned.

Implied in any nullification legislation is enforcement of the state law. In the Virginia Resolution of 1798, James Madison wrote of the principle of interposition:

That this Assembly doth explicitly and peremptorily declare, that it views the powers of the federal government, as resulting from the compact, to which the states are parties; as limited by the plain sense and intention of the instrument constituting the compact; as no further valid that they are authorized by the grants enumerated in that compact; and that in case of a deliberate, palpable, and dangerous exercise of other powers, not granted by the said compact, the states who are parties thereto, have the right, and are in duty bound, to interpose for arresting the progress of the evil, and for maintaining within their respective limits, the authorities, rights and liberties appertaining to them.

House Bill 117 expressly includes this principle:

The Legislature of the state of Idaho, therefore, on behalf of the citizens of this state and to secure the blessings of liberty, hereby asserts its legitimate authority to interpose between said citizens and the federal government, when it has exceeded its constitutional authority and declares that the state shall not participate in and considers void and of no effect the PPACA. [emphasis added]

Ten other states are currently considering versions of the Health Care Nullification Act – track its progress here.

All across the country, activists and state-legislators are pressing for similar legislation, to nullify specific federal laws within their states.

Seven states have passed Health Care Freedom Acts to block health care mandates from being enforced. Eight states have passed Firearms Freedom Acts. Fifteen states – most recently Arizona – are using the principles of the 10th Amendment to actively defy federal laws (and a supreme court ruling, too!) on marijuana. And, massive state resistance to the 2005 Real ID Act has rendered the law virtually null and void.

While some advocates concede that a federal court battle has a slim chance of success, they point to the successful nullification of the Real ID Act as a blueprint to resist various federal laws that they see as outside the scope of the Constitution. No court battle has been waged, no federal law has been repealed. Yet, the 2005 Act sits virtually null and void due to state-level resistance.

Some say that each successful rejection of federal acts will only embolden others to try the same – resulting in an eventual shift of power from the federal government to the States and the People themselves.

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algernon
algernon

In response to a couple of blog posts dealing with the Idaho Senate’s tabling of the healthcare nullification bill found at the Spokesman Review, I wrote the following responses:

“How utterly incomprehensible is Bart Davis:

‘I agree that we should do all we can to push the federal government to return to its enumerated powers,” he said. “But for me, I need to do it within the system. … My heart, but not my mind, is with the supporters of this legislation.’

Do all that you can? Maybe he should have his words read back to him very slowly so that he can see how ridiculous they are. Staying within a system that has been warped and twisted means that you will NEVER stop the encroachments of the federal government. Doing all you can do is casting a vote FOR nullification. Nullification is not treason, it is one way to help states fulfill their role as part of a federal system.

Well done Davis et al. You all went from vanguards of restoring republicanism to ambiguous defenders of the status quo (which means federalism stays dead).”

AND:

“From reading the comments from those posting regarding nullification I have to ask: when you say that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land what does that have to do with nullification? What if practicing nullification actually helps uphold the Constitution by giving states a middle way between leaving the union and suffering under laws that are unconstitutional?
And why is it that those who quote (often incorrectly) Article Six never mention the gross violation of the Constitution under the Tenth Amendment? It is a bit suspicious that all of the emphasis among legal scholars (including our own David Adler) and layman alike is on violations that seem to be in favor of restoring some state authority. If you want to devolve power back to the states and create some balance you are a radical; a bomb-thrower; a home grown terrorist on par with McVeigh.
This predicament we as a nation find ourselves in (losing control at the local level) is a direct result of the central government absorbing too many of the duties and prerogatives that have always been under the authority of the state governments. Why are we halting and concocting fictional constitutional scruples at this time when action is needed most? The way is open for us, why won’t we seize it?”

algernon
algernon

As one of the "deadbeats" living in Idaho I can tell you that like many states we have so much to nullify here that I can't wait to see what's next. Will it be restoring to the state some of its land? the wolves? I'm not sure but it's a great feeling to know that where my vote really counts (state & local levels) I might actually have a voice.

Esto Perpetua, Semper Fidelis Meae Civitati, etc--

Robert
Robert

If I take money from you it is stealing. If I pass a law that allows me to take money from you, does that make stealing from you OK? Of corse not. But that is what the govt. does every day. All Charity should be done at the local level, NOT at a federal level. The minute that they give out money, they have to then form a committee to over see that money, then another agency to make sure money is given out fairly and another agency to enforce fraud, another agency to investigate, another to collect, etc,etc.. It keeps growing into an uncontrollable bureauacy. Now they have to take more money from me to keep these program going. Now multiply this by the thousands of different programs that they have, not counting pet projects, govt perks and on and on.. The country is bankrupt and it is time to pay the fiddler and its not going to be pretty.

Robert
Robert

Anne, you are for obama care only because you can benifit from it. Someone else wants a guaranteed income from the government, Joe blow wants the gov. to pay for his schooling and Suzie Q wants govt. welfare. All this at someone else's expense. Nothing is free. The Govt. has NO money until they forceably take it from someone else thru taxes. This is pure communism according to Karl Marx. Take from the haves and give it to the have nots.

Julia Igo
Julia Igo

As of yesterday, the bill was stalled in senate committee without sufficient votes,
"Senator Sheryl Nuxoll wrote:
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> We do not have the votes to pass H117 (nullification) out of committee. Co-sponsors are meeting tomorrow at noon to set up a strategy. For those who want to join us, we will be fasting and praying for this from noon on Thursday to Friday noon for passage out of committee. Please join us in this spiritual battle. Senator Nuxoll"

larry welch
larry welch

Liberty is precious, fragile and must be protected. Unless that truth is understood, "tenth amendment", "nullification", "limited government"- none of these will make any sense. To people who look to government to solve all problems, limited government makes no sense whatever.
Obamacare is constructed without ANY concern for liberty.

fred
fred

You should pay a bit more tax and have a National Health Service like we do in Great Britain. As for Obama.....did you know his real name is Barry Soetoro and he was born in Kenya making him ineligible to be president according to the constitution. If Obama was innocent and had nothing to hide, then why doesn't he show the world his birth certificate??? You should copy the Egyptians and kick Obama out.

Curt
Curt

If we kick Obama out who will take him? Ah, the kingdom of HAWAII, from which he hails.

portomars
portomars

As a Canadian, I can tell you that our total national debt is about 3.1 trillion. About 2.5 trillion of that is from the shortfall for healthcare and pensions. I know that sounds paltry to the 57 trillion American debt, but consider that we have 1/10 the population of America. If you multiply our debt by a factor of 10 to get a per capita comparison, it would be about 31 trillion, with 25 trillion being accounted for by health care and pensions. If we spent as much, percapita, on "national defense" (read: blowing up Afghanis, Iraqis, and anyone else the CIA/Mossad/Zionists point their finger at) we would be in worse shape than you. Do the math folks. You can't afford Obamacare.

Ben
Ben

Without the federal mandate, the private insurance companies will not be able to operate with a profit.
Then we (who are responsible for our own healthcare coverage) will have no choice but to beg our congresspeople to create a "public option" insurance coverage for us. Then those people who fought against the mandate will have created a more socialized healthcare system in this country. Thanks.

BillyBob
BillyBob

Yup - They just don't get it. The R's are forcing socialized medicine (and they don't even know it)!!

derrwanger
derrwanger

Shore is funny the repubs hate this bill.
Its almost identical to the one they WERE pushing! lol

wow
wow

wow, there's a few fake posters here, and if you read closely, you can clearly tell which posters they are, what i want to know is, who is putting these posters up to it? and if they are not fake posters,
then i fear for our country that we actually have people who really thinks like they wrote..

Jerry
Jerry

Yes indeed...our Government is like it is because Americans are so into themselves they don`t really give a damn what happens to others..just as long as they have theirs.As long as they are in good shape they don`t really care that our Gov has gone Comi.

Pystov
Pystov

The Healthcare bill is so good that the politicians wrote themselves out of it.
They're a bunch of hypocrites.

t quigly
t quigly

Donna: "We have superb insurance. You are not paying for it. My husband works for the CDC, a wonderful FEDERAL program.." If it's a Federal program, all U.S. citizens are, indeed, paying for your insurance through our taxes.
Mark: "mandatory government healthcare is not Constitutional..." Several posters equate obummerscare with "healthcare" - it is not healthcare - it is mandanted Medical Insurance. It forces people to buy insurance. The healthcare and insurance are not the same thing. There is no guarantee that insurance company will allow people to have medical care when needed. Insurance companies are notorious for not honoring claims from people who have paid them premiums for years - that's how they make their money. Besides exorbitantly raising their rates once this illegal bill goes into effect.
And, what is the next private product (besides mercury-toxic lightbulbs) the government will force us, under penalty of prison, to buy? And the product after that? And after that? etc etc
One point not mentioned yet are the millions of Americans who are homeless, on foodstamps, unemployed. How will the government force them to pay for expensive medical insurance when they can hardly feed themselves? Who will pay for their mandated medical insurance? Is this the beginning of debtors' prisons?
Kudos to Idaho - hope all states will follow suit and render this law null and void!!

Spence
Spence

Healthcare was affordable before government got involved in the 60's, and rates have been uphill ever since.

Justsayin
Justsayin

Exactly Spence, few people know that the state governments have issued over 2100 mandates dictating what insurance companies must cover. Added 20 to 50% to the cost of healthcare. This, of course, makes it illegal to issue policies to folks who only want catastrophic coverage. The feds then made it illegal for residents to buy out of state insurance so no shopping around is allowed.
Government causes problem and now thinks they will fix it by adding another layer on top of what is already a mess.

Kerstine
Kerstine

CORRECT, Spence! I have been saying this for YEARS! That was when both government and UNIONS interjected themselves between the health care provider and recipient. It became so convenient for employees to have their employers become involved in processing their claims that employees simply abdicated any responsibility for accuracy of costs or caring about competitive costs. Worked out swell for government, unions, health care providers and insurance companies, who all were more than willing to expand their own infrastructures and "charge" each other for what the end user (at that time) did not feel responsible for. As a result NOW our premiums are way up, costs are up, hospitals, clinics, labs all are still being built as friggin' Taj Mahals to facilitate the best health care "experience" of the patient. (continues below)

Kerstine
Kerstine

BULL! Have the end user (patient) see their original bills, like anything else we buy, or get an estimate for before "work" is done whenever possible. Have the end user (patient) "shop" for health care service, like we do for everything else. Can you afford it? Not the procedure, but the place with the cherry wood walls, custom artwork and flat screen TV's in every little room where perhaps 20 minutes is spent? Architects who design these facilities usually work on a "cost-plus" basis, so everything that they can jack the price of the project on increases their "take". And all medical providers see is how "pretty" it is and they WANT it, whether legitimately related to patient care or not. And since the patients don't care about what things cost because their union, employer, insurance is covering it.... prices naturally skyrocket. (continues below)

Kerstine
Kerstine

Possible solutions? FUNDAMENTAL change, (which lobbyists, hired by ALL of those involved EXCEPT the patient/end user, to prevent). Allow heath care insurance providers to cross state lines, just like auto. QUIT allowing states to mandate what "needs" to be covered, because that is all just political anyway and has no business coming between the insured and their selected insurer. And have those initial invoices for service be the responsibility of the patient to be either paid for or processed with their own insurance company. It would help prevent fraud and create an awareness of whether you should go to the emergency room for an infected hangnail or go to WebMD. Sorry to go on, that just really touched a nerve, Spence... thanks for the opportunity to vent.

Hobbes
Hobbes

Exactly, Spence!

bill
bill

Three other States and over 2 million people are part of over 700 exemptions. I guess the rest of the country can pick up the tab? I don't think so. This law should be repealed.

Mark
Mark

"God bless the President?" "...deadbeats in Idaho...refuse to be responsible..."?

You know what is irresponsible? 3.5 trillion dollar debt in his first two years. 3.5 trillion dollar budget. thinking only about your selfish selves. 2 years in office and still no release of birth certificate, marriage certs, college and grade school transcripts, Black Panther/Guantanimo Bay/Illegal Immigrant Amnesty, oh, and even though it sounds and means well...mandatory government healthcare is not Constitutional.,...and everybody knows that... its not rocket science.

swillabrew
swillabrew

Obama released his long form birth certificate on April 27th. Did Fox News not cover that?

Diane
Diane

THANK YOU MARK! Well put....all who want the government to pay your way or Communisiam (sp) should move right on over to Russia or China.

Anne
Anne

God Bless the President and the new health care reform law. Let the deadbeats in Idaho, who refuse to be responsible enough to purchase their own health insurance coverage; go beg the state of Idaho to pay their health care bills. The rest of us in this great country are sick of paying the tabs for those who won't purchase their own insurance.

Jerry
Jerry

You and Donna are total self serving idiots.I bet neither of you have husbands.

Mark Kahle
Mark Kahle

Ann, Just who is it that you think bears the entire cost for this program ?? Just where do you think the money comes from ?? Bravo to Idaho and anyone else that believes in the Constitution.

Hobbes
Hobbes

You people are just crazy. Do you understand what you just said? This bill rewards the deadbeats and there is so much wrong with your argument it would take all night to explain it to you! I hope you enjoy the ugly world this man called Obama is "bestowing" on you!

GoIdaho
GoIdaho

The people in Idaho (for the most part) take personal responsibility for their health. They don't eat from the Kings table. I find it ironic that the liberals refer to thos who don't buy insurance as irresponsible. Seems they believe eating processed, packaged (poisoned) food in excess and then running to the doctor because it doesn't make them feel good, and wanting the rest of the citizenry to pay for it is responsible. I have been with and without insurance. I have incurred medical expenses under both instances. I have never encountered a hospital or doctor who wouldn't take payments. And just because someone doesn't buy insurance doesn't mean they don't pay their bill. Many people only visit holistic doctors (whom have much greater success in healing) whom insurance does not cover so why buy insurance.

snowcloud
snowcloud

Wait and see how much you like it when IRS agents knock on your door and want payment for your wonderful health care...SOMEONE has to pay for it and they're gonna make sure they get that money. Last time I checked, IRS agents weren't health care providers.

Tim
Tim

Deadbeats?? What are you talking about? Idaho is saying that they dont want the Federal Government telling the Citizens of Idaho that they will be Mandated to buy health Insurance. Idaho is telling the Federal Government that the new Health Care law is Unconstitutional and they are protecting its citizins from a tyranical Government. What if the Government mandated that "Everyone" that is required to purchace health insurance also be mandated to purchace one firearm a year in defense of the nation, would that be constitutional?

@donnaschindler
@donnaschindler

EXACTLY Anne!!!!l We are paying for people with no insurance anyway!! It might as well be covered it will be much cheaper than paying for people with no insurance to go to the ER every time which is astronomical and unsustainable!! Thank you ! This ain't rocket science!

Bob
Bob

So who were the 20 cowards who refused to abide by the Constitution?

Valerie
Valerie

All the democrats and one or two progressive republicans (who won't be there after the next election!). Pretty much what you'd expect. The Senate battle will be tougher yet. Coming soon!

MichaelBoldin
MichaelBoldin

click the link to the bill near the top of the article to get the vote tally - and the list of cowards.

@donnaschindler
@donnaschindler

I love the new Healthcare act. My son has type 1 diabetes. My daughter goes to college and needs Healthcare provided by us still. The healthcare act by President Obama has been a great blessing for our family. I will be interested to see if you delete my comment. God Bless America and our troops, and our fine President.

IllinoisMinuteman
IllinoisMinuteman

My 76 year-old Mother went from paying nothing for her meds to paying $35 per month under obamacare. Sure Donna it's great! I wish nothing but the worst for obama and his wife. One day I hope to see his daughters on a stripper pole! Funny as hell!

Robert Zraick
Robert Zraick

Your comments are reflective of many Americans. Of course you think it is okay to loot other people to benefit yourself. But people who think as you do will destroy our country.

Wapi'skwalanie
Wapi'skwalanie

Did you even read the Health Care Act passed by Obama?? All 2000+ pages of it?? I did. There are over 130 pages of NEW taxes hidden within the monstrosity of the thing!! It completely strips away any and all free-will and choice that are Natural & Inherent God-given Rights of the US citizens.
Instead of believing all the propaganda spewed-out by the main stream media, why don't you take a chance to truly educate yourself with the facts. Like this fact: Obama committed treason by accepting the the most powerful position within the United Nations - after he was elected President!! I bet you didn't hear about that from the MSM, did you?
And, if the governor of Hawaii cannot even find Obama's birth certificate (which should be readily available to him), what does that tell you? Why would Obama want to hide something like that????
Think, think, think - especially before you go espousing someone like him!!

Mike
Mike

I have twin daughters that go to college and the greater blessing is to repeal the healtcare act. God Bless America and God Bless those who uphold the Constitution.

Mark Kahle
Mark Kahle

Why is it that you think I should pay YOUR daughters healthcare or for YOUR sons illness ??

freedomfirst!
freedomfirst!

I'm call you a liar donna and I believe your post to be ful of BS!

The HCB can not have possibly been a blessing to you! It hasn't even be inacted yet! You're a friggin' idiot!

hazek
hazek

I can't imagine how terrible it must be to face a sickness and not being able to pay for the treatment so I try to understand your support for Obamacare.

But you have understand why you can't pay for the treatment in the first place that the Obamacare act is merely treating the symptoms and not the real problem.

If your money wasn't constantly being devalued by the private banking cartel knows as the Federal Reserve system your money would be worth more. Second if the government didn't mandate healthcare medical costs would be lower because hospitals would need to compete between each other just as they do on various non mandated treatments like lasik eye surgery where prices consistently decline.

So you see even though this new law is a temporary fix which will help your family it's actually adds to the reason why you have a problem in the first place. Besides if we had sound money and a less regulated nation which is the recipe for wealth the country would be richer and I'm sure you could find charities that would be glad to help you out!

I hope this opens your eyes at least partially to the other side of the argument.

Jack
Jack

I hope they don't delete your comment either, we need open and repsectful debate on this topic. In that spirit, I'd like to interject thought here. There are parts of the bill that are beneficial, and I believe that they hope they've provided just enough to convince the public to ignore the other, legitimate issues surrounding the it. Why did it take over 2000 pages in the legislation to acheive a handful of provisions that provide these benefits? For the handful of beneifts it provides, how can we determine the intended and unintended consequences of such massive legislation? Couldn't they have been achieved without a Bill that none of our representatives read? Couldn't they have been acheived wthout a federal mandate that is under legitimate scrutiny for it's constitutionality? Finally, remember that the President did not craft this legislation. It was crafted originally by the House, and I would argue, in the absence of presidential leadership. I guess what I'm saying is that I want these benefits too, but at what cost to our liberties? I simply cannot support legislation crafted in such a manner.

Not Easily Fooled
Not Easily Fooled

I am sorry that Donna's son has diabetes. I am sorrier still that Donna wants me to pay for it, as I will soon be one of the 800,000 to lose his job because of the astronomical increase in costs to my employer, he will have to close his small business.

On the bright side, I will have more time to spend with my daughter, who won't be going to college now, and care for my elderly mother who's doctor just informed her that he no longer accepts Medicare, as the government reimburses so little.

Paul
Paul

The increase is driven by the insurance industry attempting to front-load profits. Pure and simple. They are they bad guys. If people would actually read the bill, they might understand what is happening.

Vraldic
AKA Paul N

@donnaschindler
@donnaschindler

We have superb insurance. You are not paying for it. My husband works for the CDC, a wonderful FEDERAL program that keeps you safe from disease. Now his insurance cannot dripped due to pre-existing conditions thank God:) Let me know if you really lose your job. You cannot predict the future which looks very bright! We live in the greatest country in the world.

Ryan
Ryan

The worst troll I've ever seen, or the biggest welfare loving big government person I've seen in awhile....truly.

There is nothing wonderful about anything Federal. Everything has failed from a large debt and spending...spending so high that even if we all paid 100% of our paycheck it wouldn't even on. Health care, education...you name it, failed.

Troll harder donna, because the world doesn't revolve around people being forced by a gun to pay money they earn to someone else.

Not Easily Fooled
Not Easily Fooled

My goodness, in fact, if your husband works for the Federal Government, then, in fact I AM paying for your entire insurance premium. Secondly, because your carrier cannot price according to risk, or drop your coverage, my premiums must go up to cover costs, so I get to pay double for YOUR medical care. It's worse than I thought.

I realize that your husband, as a public servant, is more important than my daughter or myself, so it is proper for you to make decisions for the use of my limited resources. I also appreciate the CDC's effort to keep the Mexican border open now that the CDC has eliminated all the potential disease vectors from Mexico, or Somalia, or Haiti, or Southeast Asia, or.....

Well let's just say that I really appreciate all those Federal programs watching out for me and securing the borders, as charged in the Constitution.

Hobbes
Hobbes

"A wonderful FEDERAL program that keeps you safe from disease." ? Are you serious... how can any program keep you safe from disease? I guess, it's because that's what it's name is, so it has to be right. Right? Well, since you work for the government the coverage is really great. If we all work for the government where is that money going to come from to pay for that coverage? Who pays for your coverage?

Proud Idahoan
Proud Idahoan

Seriously, bankruptcy will finish this, or extreme inflation considering current running rate.. Either way, you'll be lucky to get care at all, no matter who is paying.

Yes, I have insurance, but don't need it. I don't eat processed foods(mostly) and don't get vaccinated, for anything. I drink raw milk, eat raw food, and haven't seen a doctor in 20 years. Much like Bernando LaPallo, 109 years old and walks 2 miles a day before breakfast.

I break a bone, sure, doctors will be useful, but the right diet and and Vitamin D will solve many things before they can start.

Bob
Bob

Why should your silly post be deleted? You're obviously in need of an education. Try reading the 10th amendment.

You have no right to confiscate the wealth I've earned to pay for what you desire to purchase--that is not an enumerated right conferred upon the federal government. IOW, buy your own insurance.

@donnaschindler
@donnaschindler

Hi Bob. Sorry you felt you had to insult me. God bless you, I wish you the best and forgive you:)

John
John

How did Bob insult you - by calling a spade a spade? Those who take from others for their own desires are thieves, and insult us all. It is you who owe the apology... And yes, God bless us all - including an extra blessing of wisdom and honesty to our current president.

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